Interesting archived Flight article on Su-24MK buddy refueling with the UPAZ pod:
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1992/1992%20-%200424.html
The Pakistani probes seem very different to the standard Mirage probe, moving it from ahead of the Pilot to a point over the starboard engine intake:
Standard Probe:The ‘Rose’ pakistan upgrade with probe:
Well the refueling probe that the PAF Kamra (I presume) installed on their Mirage wouldn’t match the Mirage 2000 installation.
The Mirage 2000 was designed with a refueling probe in mind and plumbed appropriately. The Mirage 3/5 operated by the PAF have an unpressurised fuel system and don’t have the internal plumbing to get the fuel to the fuel tank. The piping would have to be scabbed to the outside and have some kind of funky cut off and flow valves to allow the high pressure fuel flow from the tanker to be pushed into the fuel tank.
For designing a LO airframe, they have.
For the engines…with all the LO compromises…well, that’s another story.
Sorry whilst Iranian material science development has been coming on leaps and bounds the last few years (their Science and University sector is one of the fastest growing the world) there is no way they up to design a full LO airframe as of yet. At most they might be able to do research and computer modeling on the subject to allowing incorporation of LO features into current designs but a full airframe is another thing. As for engines its the same old problem that any country wanting to develop indigenous ones … its VERY difficult. They are decades away from developing their own fighter engine core. At most they might be able to develop a reverse engineered J85 (something they have apparently been working on) and later maybe some form of augmented J79 using technology from the TF30.
Well I suppose the question is what are the probes like on the PAF Mirage adapted for refueling as the IL78 they have purchased are fitted with UPAZ pods.
Sounds like to me its a matter of bolting on different probe tips. I am aware that for western probe drogues there are two bore sizes.
Well considering the problems they had with the wingtip to wingtip refueling system that was outright dangerous I can see how they would see it as logical to adopt the western probe drogue design.
Technical details about western probe and drogues are hardly top secret so data would of been easily sourced also they had access to plenty of probes and maybe even some buddy pods from shot down or crashed USN/Marine Corp jets over Vietnam.
Actually I’m starting to see QE starting as a mega LPH before going into extended readiness when PoW goes active in a more positive light. The fact is we will have to get into the queue with the second Gerald Ford class for another catapult and arresting set for QE. The rebuild work to accommodate it would take several years keeping British yards in work and once the work is finished late in the next decade (close to 2030) it would allow a heavy worked PoW to go into a deep maintenance period.
After that the RN can proceed with the rotation between ships they always planned in the first place. Maybe even some money to buy another batch of late build F35C or that new naval UCAV the USN has been working on.
A&P group have docks big enough for that kind of work.
The Russians appear to be able to do it, with the Su-33 and the Mig-29K. If the RN/MoD/BAE can’t figure out how it’s done, maybe they should ask the Russians.
We also have to consider they airframes available to the Russians for conversion to STOBAR operations. The Mig29 and Su27 were both designed for partial rough field operations, adapting their very traditional airframes for sea operations is far more realistic then Typhoon’s.
Nothing mysterious about it obligatory, any airforce with reasonable utilisation rates like Canada will have a pool of aircraft that they rotate between squadron use, maintenance and storage. If they didn’t aircraft availability would dwindle as aircraft need repair, it also helps maintain the out of service date by spreading airframe life evenly across the fleet by rotation between storage and squadron use.
Its something that detractors of the number of RAF Typhoons purchased don’t understand, the less you buy the sooner the out of service date is as utilisation is spread over a smaller pool of aircraft.
A sensible and polite post, I agree EELightning.
What is the status of the F/A-18 in Malaysia today? Is it even relevant, given that today only the SuperHornet is available?
I believe they have eight fairly late build F/A-18D, personally I think if they buy a new MMRCA they should consider selling them on. There would certainly be a willing market, the Finnish airforce would probably love to replace the twin seater that crashed last year and the USN/Marine Corp would probably like them to make up attrition.
The site needs an overall history of the program exploring the politics and decisions that led to the ATF program followed by an overview of the YF-23’s development in comparison to the YF-22 through to the eventual selection of the Raptor. An overview of the engine development would be good as well…
Finally get rid of the visit counter at the bottom of the homepage they make sites look amateurish.
I presume you have a question qumf. Please do post it we are a fairly friendly if eccentric bunch in this forum nevertheless I am proud to say that as a group there are members here who have the knowledge to answer any of your questions.
Oh thats easy!:D
“Waste of oxygen”!
If its military here, if its civil the commercial or general aviation section and historic go to the historic section…simples!
Again, I wouldn’t disagree with you, but the same is true of both flavours of blue-suiters.
Could also debate some of the projects you picked, but that is not for this thread, or indeed forum
My key point in this respect is over the years I have seen thousands of newspaper column inches, web reports and blogs about the evils of the light and dark blue procurement bungles whilst the pongos seem to go under the radar!
Oh and I carefully chose that list:D each program was either late, over budget, technically flawed, under performing, unnecessary or cancelled after much money spent and officers kept in work! Yet I don’t see Lewis Page of the Register writing much reports about them…