If you stand back a little from that statement it sounds like Government saved the RAAF from an essentially superfluous contest, that if concluded could have locked Australia into operating a 1990’s technology fighter for the next 25 years.
Once the JSF as clearly defined, why would Aus want to buy a fleet of semi-mature EFs of Rafaels that one day might provide the all round capability that the RAAF needs and the F-35 provides?
Yeah, a rather bizaar line of thinking considering the Typhoon and Rafale have not only entered service but are actually ramping up to their second generation versions respectively whilst the F-35 is barely into its development program.
Like what? Drop bombs? Fire missiles? About the only thing the F-4 had going for it was the larger payload. It was slower, less manueverable, and had less range. If you wanted to drop a butt load of Mk117s while under escort then the F-4 was your man. Other than that though. . .
Ah but our F-4 has a feature which makes all the difference at the time when it comes to operating radar guided missiles like Sparrow…the person sitting in the back!
The pilot of a Crusador III would have had a tough time flying and operating the radar at the same time too much information.
Like what? Drop bombs? Fire missiles? About the only thing the F-4 had going for it was the larger payload. It was slower, less manueverable, and had less range. If you wanted to drop a butt load of Mk117s while under escort then the F-4 was your man. Other than that though. . .
Ah but our F-4 has a feature which makes all the difference at the time when it comes to operating radar guided missiles like Sparrow…the person sitting in the back!
The pilot of a Crusador III would have had a tough time flying and operating the radar at the same time too much information.
Rather than to rant about the US let’s just stick to the facts for now. Wait and see what happens with Varyag first: she has yet to move under her own power and so long as she hasn’t she not going to be much good.
Ah now that is the question, they have mentioned her as a training platform. That could mean towed to a suitable place and used as a fixed facility rather then under power.
If it comes to be and these new carriers are built I have a hunch that there will be much to surprise us. Lots of work has gone in behind the scenes in respect of carrier reasearch in China long before Varyag was purchased. We know that they had a land based research facility with Arrester gear and steam catapult set up. I think the new carriers will be similar to Varyag in size and features with a Ski jump to operate STOBAR types like the Su33 but I have a sneaking feeling that they will also feature at least one local catapult to operate as of yet declared local designs in a hybrid setup.
Govt likely to drop plan to procure F-22 planes
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20081228TDY01302.htm
The moves to abandon efforts to acquire the cutting-edge F-22 follow signs that the incoming U.S. administration of President-elect Barack Obama is leaning toward curbing or even halting production of the aircraft, the sources said.
Well if that is the case then it would be a death knell for Japan ever getting the F-22, Lock Mart will start ramping down the line.
Expect a very heavy US sales push of the F-35 towards Japan, probably along the lines of local production and a specialised air superiority variant with greater Japanese content.
Then again gives EADS a slightly greater chance to get Typhoon through the door as an interim measure.
Govt likely to drop plan to procure F-22 planes
http://www.yomiuri.co.jp/dy/national/20081228TDY01302.htm
The moves to abandon efforts to acquire the cutting-edge F-22 follow signs that the incoming U.S. administration of President-elect Barack Obama is leaning toward curbing or even halting production of the aircraft, the sources said.
Well if that is the case then it would be a death knell for Japan ever getting the F-22, Lock Mart will start ramping down the line.
Expect a very heavy US sales push of the F-35 towards Japan, probably along the lines of local production and a specialised air superiority variant with greater Japanese content.
Then again gives EADS a slightly greater chance to get Typhoon through the door as an interim measure.
Unless the transport crashes (it’s happened and took out two Flankers as I recall). Anyway, I just thought it odd that some choose to ship them to the customers and others fly them there.
Then its an insurance issue with the transport company lol:D
Seriously its one of those how long is a piece of string questions, some countries self deploy the aircraft to show they can in a power projection sense. Other countries will transport them in a cargo aircraft for cost and safety reasons, whilst others will do this as they don’t have the overflight rights to get the fighter to its destination.
Also if the transport aircraft crashes as unfortunate as that is, its not the expensive to train and valuable fighter crew who are lost.
Exactly, if a proper shipbuilding plan for the RN was instigated it would allow the shipyards to become commercially viable again, atracting overseas orders and boosting the local economy, and thus the UK economy as a whole.
The problem is millitary shipbuilding is a highly specialised area with only limited application to the commercial world.
To rebuild our commercial shipbuilding capability would require subsidies that our government are not prepared to pay.
The damage was done post war with our heavily unionised outmoded ship yards unable to compete with countries like Japan. France’s commercial shipbuilding capability has only survived because the French gov pumped the money in to keep things going.
The bitter irony is I read a report recently where it was stated that the new CVF were being built in blocks because there was no yard in the UK with the capability to build the ship in one piece. Well what about Harland and Wolf in Belfast which just happens to have a ship building basin big enough for a Nimitz class let alone CVF. If CVF was being built there we would be able to put in the logistics to support a large shipbuilding industry again and go after some of those Cruise liner and cargo ship contracts but I think a certain someone in No 10 Downing street is more interested in helping his constituency then putting in the investment to kick start our shipbuilding industry at a suitable yard.
Huh. IIRC for SK and Singapore and their F-15s they just fly them there.
Well thats their decision, the F-15 and the Su-30MK2 both have the capability to self deploy if necessary but I suggest you have a look at the logistics tied up to deliver in that way.
Its far cheaper and safer to put them in a transport aircraft.
Why not just fly it there? :confused:
Because its MUCH cheaper doing it this way, also far safer for everybody involved.
The RAF until fairly Recently flew replacement F.3 Tornado to the Falklands via Africa. It was a long complicated expensive and dangerous exercise, as well as the fighters there had to be a tanker and a Nimrod in support to get them down south. Now the RAF takes the wings off and fly them down in a C17 via Ascension.
Any info on how many helos the task force is packing? The destroyers can house one apiece, and I think the supply ship also has a hanger, but the quest is, is it making use of it?
From the looks of the numbers and equipment, it would seem that the PLAN plan to deploy SF teams with heavy weapons on some merchant ships as they enter the danger zone to provide maximum coverage, while the helos would act as a rapid response force, with the destroyers and their embarked patrol craft doing a circuit patrol.
Two Ka-28 are deployed with the task force. I wouldn’t be surprised if both Helo’s will drop in to the supply ship to refuel.
Well the fleet creeps closer:
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2008-12/29/content_10577299.htm
Some pictures of one of the embarked Kamov doing what appears to be duskers.



All pictures Xinhuanet
Fed: Interesting choice mate but seriously, the MB-339’s are still perfect for their needs. I do agree that they didn’t need the F-16’s, perhaps having the Macchi’s as their front line backed up by a small number of Super Tucano’s. Now couple these with ISAR capabilities of the R-99A’s and you start to have a force that can cover NZ’s area of operations with ease.
Looking into it your right about the MB-339, sadly the whole F-16 episode was the excuse that the in coming Labour(?) government needed to kill the whole capability against the advice of their own armed forces.
I think they could even kept the A4 if they had been clever about it, the Kuwaiti Skyhawk that went to Brazil eventually were fairly low mileage and in good nick.
Some pictures in this report of the Chinese task force deploying:
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gB7YMEDuCwwY9ncDOtPAkEI4-H2wD95AJ2Q80
On another note the Japanese are certainly rattled by this development, they are going to look into ways of deploying their own ships in the next parlimentary session…
Just waiting for the South Korean’s to join in the fun now:D
Would love to see that piece you are talking about. Do post it. Also:
1. What do you think of my model?
2. What do you think of the mechanics behind a quantitative analysis of air combat?
Oh its in here somewhere, its pretty much what I wrote this time just a couple of years back. You could find it if your prepared to go through several hundred of my posts:D Nevertheless I pretty much said the same thing.
I will have a look at your model.