Oh whilst Im about it Bigvern maybe you can answer a qustion which has been bothering me.
I know we sold Tigercat to the Argies but for some reason I have a feeling we sold them bloodhound as well. Maybe Im very wrong on that…just need some clarrification.
I bet you would think it would fly better with a couple of Ramjets Bigvern… :diablo:
Most likely not. No Money for them. 😡
Yup more than likely!
Considering that the plumbing for the boom receptical is there maybe a probe could be plummed onto that.
Of course during the and after the Falklands just think of all the types that had probes fitted on very short notice often using those from retired types.
Who knows maybe they C17 could use probes from VC10’s as they retire. 😀
Purchase of S300 would almost be more significant then the purchase of the Su30MK.
Excellent news indeed, I would of thought the RAF would want more but this is a start.
Now will we see them being fitted with refueling probes?
hang on that was 400 post’s!
600 hundred to go before I become a man of Substance around here!
After Me the Flood, Fedaykin 😉 . However coming from the family of a de Havilland worker I will spoil the moment by moving my post number to a lesser known Squadron who also bounced revolving depth charges over water (abet at ships and most likely would have got the Tirpiz as well had the Germans not moved her north). MOSSIES RULE!!! 😀 😀 😀
However the Dog is called NIGGER!!! for those scriptwriters working on a certain film script at the mintue. 😉
HA! As a fellow Mossie fan I can agree with that.
Anyway 618 and the Mossie do make a guest appearance in the original film.
As for a remake…why bother is all I can say to the powers that be.
Indeed!
Do you realise your number of posts have reached the Squadron number of a certain famous RAF squadron.
Now do you enjoy that moment or spoil it by making another post?
Oh yeah and I forgot to say that the Argentine had alot of very good ground kit…….so good they took it home with them! 😀
A number of the Browning 50 cal in British service now are ex Argentine war booty.
………………………………………………..Oh cool Under Siege is on!
Siegal’s only decent film. :diablo:
Good old BBC 1
One of my fav teenage movies!
Indeed, Sandy Woodward himself has stated that whilst its not nice to loose warships in the end they were expendable. What surprised many RN personel was the focus of the Argentine aircraft on the warships rather than the troop and cargo ships. Its clear to see that the loss of the Atlantic Conveyor almost scuppered the operation causing a major change of plans and the loss of ship like the Canberra with all the troops and ammuntion on board would of been decisive.
I do have a criticism of one particular MOD policy which was that crewmen from any sunk ship couldn’t be transferred to another ship. Apparently many of the ships like Fearless were undermanned. The memoirs of one of the Commando officers on HMS Fearless (I forget the name of the book but it was good) stated that a number of the crewmen from the ships that were sunk passed on to the Fearless. He felt that if asked they would of happily made up the numbers so to say.
Some more interesting Tornado video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TvPJHkXWSb4&search=tornado%20adv
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pU-RgPXPmmc&search=tornado%20adv
Rapier was a massive disappointment in 1982, partly due to the way the weapons were stowed and carried South, and partly due to a reasonable design oversight in that the launchers were not suitable for operating in soft and boggy ground areas so that the launchers kept moving and sinking into the ground when they were used which had a serious impact on performance. Another good example of the difference between exercises and real world use, prior to going South Rapier had a superb reputation as it’s trials performance was excellent, but in real combat shortcomings not previously considered had a major impact. After the war it was honed and did indeed become a truly world class, superb local air defence system.
One of the problems with Sea Dart and it’s well documented lock ups and failures in 1982 was again a result of tight fistedness in that to save money it was decided to economise on the radar fitted to the Type 42’s and the fire control computers and the interfaces between the radar, fire control and missile were not brilliant. Yet another example of spoiling the ship for a ha’penny of tar 🙁 Design a leading edge missile then decide not to put similar investment into the radar and fire control systems, great.
Feydakin is right about the general unsuitability of many of the weapons employed, one of the biggest myths of the modern era is that in 1982 the British forces enjoyed a crushing technological superiority, when in fact it was quite a well matched contest in terms of equipment and suitability of equipment for the roles it was used for. The difference was the human quality of the British forces and a greater committment and acceptance of losses in pursuit of victory on the British side.
There are certainly alot of myths which surround the Falklands War equipment performance is just one of them. The Argentines were disadvantaged in many repects:
1)Failure by their senior leadership to understand Britains likely reaction and an asumption that they would receive international support for their noble cause.
2)A decision to waste resources putting thousands of conscripts on the Island and placing a General in command who whilst experianced in counter insurgency didn’t have the the correct skills for the tacticul situation.
3)Not lengthening the runway at Port Stanley to allow fighters to operate off the runway despite the steel matting being available on the main land. Many millitary experts and reports (including a well reguarded report by the American millitary) reguard this as one of the single greatest failings by the Argentines.
4)Due to the previous point the Argentine aircraft were forced to operate at there maximum range without decent tanker support from the mainland.
Of course looking back to the British there were many issues and myths arround the conflict some of which has already been covered in this thread.
1)Poor performance of equipment accross the range from ships to weapon systems and infantry kit.
2)Fighting a war with equipment designed for an engagement in the North Atlantic against the Soviets.
3)Lack of decent rapid fire small calibre anti air guns for ships within the fleet making many ships vulnerable to fighter bombers carrying dumb bombs. Ironically many ships were not lost due to the umbrella thrown up by Sea Dart and bravery of the Argentine pilots. They flew too low and launched there bombs too late not allowing them to fuse.
4)Lack of Organic AEW assets!!!
5)Whilst San Carlos was the correct place to land the high hills made it very difficult for the missile systems in the area to operate except for Sea Wolf. Aside from the set up issues with Rapier there just wasn’t enough time for the weapon systems to track and lock onto ships popping over the hill.
Looking aside from these problems and focusing on the Myths whilst Sea Harrier was a decisive War winner (making its retirement all the more crazy)many myths have grown up around it. I have spoken to many people including ex millitary who have attached almost supernatural capabilities to the aircraft. The main factor for its success in the war aside from Sidewinder and the quality of the pilots is the extreme range the Argentine jets were operating at and the unwillingness to engage in air to air combat.
I know that I am missing many points and over simplifying others but nevertheless it is interesting.
I presume the outfitting of any western systems especially American will be done in Pakistan.
Im curious to know what has happened so far with the F-22 frigates that Pakistan is obtaining.
no you’re not remembering correctly 😉 PLAN never had any joint manoeuvres with Kuznetsov included. Admiral Ushakov was the one which needed half a year of repairs after this deployment and not Kuznetsov (as she went out a month later to train new pilots). Ushakov lost two liferafts in this storm which actually ended up on the Icelandic coast. The ships went at anchor above Iceland after this and the rescue tugs came alongside Kuznetsov and Velikiy for repairs.
The one involved in PLAN joint manoeuvres was Burniy along with an Udaloy (I think it was Panteleyev could have been Shaposhnikov too).
Ah thanks Neptune, I stand happily corrected! I think it was some chinese website which gave the spurious info.
I dread to think what the crew of the Ushakov were going through.