With relations tween the US an India the way they are now, I wouldnt be surprised if they actualy keep the AMRAAM capability.
Its just not logical for Indian navy to adopt the AMRAAM considering they have already been integrating the Rafael Derby onto the SHAR.
Also the AMRAAM is a very senative weapon system for the Americans, India is just a bit to close to Russia on this matter.
The UK is retiring the SHAR and has been for ages, see the navy forum. The rumour is that the Indians are looking into buying the aircraft, but that they may have the ability to fire AMRAAM removed, or even the Blue Vixen radar deactivated, which has to make one wonder what the point is.
If India is buying 10 F/A2 SHAR from the UK they will more than likely be from the new build F/A2 rather then the refurbed ones which by all accounts are knackered! This deal does look likely now considering it has been mentioned by the UK parliment.
Whilst the avionics differ greatly from the SHAR that the Indian navy operate the airframe are very similar. Considering that the Indian navy has lost a number of airframes and intend to keep the SHAR operating well into the next decade these 10 airframes will be welcomed.
Recently India opened its own facility for servicing the SHAR allowing them to stop sending SHAR back to the UK for overhall. On top of this Indian navy SHAR have recently been going through an upgrade introducing new avionics, missiles and Israeli radar. With their own overhall facility it is more than likely they will put the surplus UK airframes through an overhall similar to the one being applied to SHAR already in service with the Indian navy stripping out much of the avionics fitted to the UK sourced SHAR.
These 10 surplus airframes once they have been overhalled will more than likely no longer have Blue Vixen and AMRAAM capability but rather a fit similar to Indian navy SHAR. For Indian this is about getting fresh SHAR airframes rather than inducting the F/A2.
Hope this clears things up for people.
The same way that the then new cruise missiles opened the Bomber arena to civilian transport-derived concepts, the new long loitering “dominator” munitions should consolidate this trend, leaving only the Tactical Bomber as a specificaly designed airframe/weapons system…
Can Boeing further develop the NG 737s into a global range aircraft? Fuselage plugs, increased power engines, new wings, larger fuel tanks in the fuselage?
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Hammer
Anything is possible but with the B52 slated for another 40 years of service it really isn’t worth it.
There has been lots of discussion about the technology transfer issues. I may not have been paying attention, but which bits are America being difficult about ? It can’t be the weapons control system or any of the other things mentioned in the attached quote from the BAE website, which they say they are producing;
Its mainly a sofware issue, the UK wants to be able to integrate new weapon systems without having to refer to America for changes in the avionics software.
The main reason America has given for this is security but the reason is more likely economic. If the UK can integrate weapons themselves then European companies like EADS will be able to offer an alternative weapons package to buyers of the F-35, cutting American companies out of a potential sale.
A very sad day, six years too early of course.
They were great aircraft, piloted by great pilots.
Just a shame that the govt is totally ignorant of Sea Power and the multi-role abilities of the Shar.
Amen!
China’s HTY-7 ejection seat in 2006 Singapore airshow. China is the one of the 4 countries is able to produce aviation ejection seat in the world.
There are certainly more than four coutries that can make or have made ejector seats.
Off the top of my head here are some:
UK
USA
Russia
China
France
Czech Republic
Sweden
there are numerous more but it should be pointed out that these are often licenced built versions.
There are various factors, firstly the RAF and other European nations needed a missile which would out perform the next generation of Eastern Block missiles. This reflects the fact that whilst the US intended to use Stealth to close on he enemy to engage with AMRAAM the less Stealthy European types would benefit from more stand off range.
Secondly as already mentioned the partner countries for the Eurofighter did not want to have every Eurofighter sale scuppered because the US congress blocked the armament package.
Its very difficult to comment on seeker performance considering how classified this area of technology is but on the other hand the Meteor seeker will be based on the one fitted to the MICA which is apparently very good.
what replacement do us airforce have for b52 ??
Ah now thats the 64 million dollar question…
The first attempt to replace the B52 was with the XB-70 which was cancelled, the next attempt was the B1a which was also cancelled.
On from that the B1b which entered service was pushed as a B52 replacement, the B1b will leave service long before the B52. Finally the B2 was also pushed as a B52 replacement but it is way to expensive a replacement for the B52.
In the end even with all the maintenance issues inherant with operating aircraft made in the 1960’s powered by 8 old TF33 turbofans the USAF have found that it is still the cheapest way to put a lot of bombs on target. The USAF found that even fitting four new turbofans to the B52h allowing better fuel efficiancy, greater load, greater range and lower maintenance costs would be more expensive than retaining the currant engines.
If I remember correctly Pakistan does have some structural work on the JF-17.
The biggest problem Pakistan will have on any F16 purchase is access to good BVR missiles. Its highly unlikely that America will sell AMRAAM to a country so close to China considering how important this weapon is to America. Its far more likely that Pakistan will get late model Sparrows taken from US millitary stocks.
In an AFM report last year the head of Pakistan’s airforce stated that on the short to medium term the priority was obtaining more F16 and inducting the JF-17. The JF-17 being especially critical as it will give them a BVR capability. In the long term he stated that obtaining the J-10 was the goal.
Bah, you’re so lucky! Though I have recently met someone who used to be a Lieutenant-Commander on one of the Swiftsure-class (he’s changing carrier now). But it’s not the same, so well done you!
Windows? That’s an accident waiting to happen. I hope it’s not connected to the internet, or all those security holes will make the ship vulnerable 😉
I couldn’t agree more. The important thing, as you say, is that it is cost efficient and does the job it is designed to carry out well enough.
Right time and right place mate! 😀 A good chat with an ex sub driver would be just as interesting.
Actually in these circumstances a Windows based solution is not a problem, a ship doesn’t face the same issues that your home computer does. It looked like a Windows Server 2000 based solution which is a very robust operating system (I know what I talk of – at the moment I operate 1 Linux server, 1 Windows 2000 Server and 4 Windows 2003 Servers). In a warship the operating system will be tailored to the needs of the ships systems and not be exposed to the world wide web. The systems integrators for the ship will be looking for an operating system which is robust and easy to write for as well a good degree of scalability. Microsoft Server based solutions are excellent and certainly don’t suffer the same kind of bugs that home software does. The new Type 45 will be using windows 2000 and whilst there was some silly storys in the press people in the know didn’t see it as an issue.
A fine video! its sad to think that the Rhinos days are numbered, I espescially liked the high speed flyby. The video reminded me of the fact that the Luftwaffe didn’t invest in the upgrades required to make their J79s smokeless!
It also turns my mind back to a warm childhood memory of when I visited the Fleet air arm museum at Yeovil and sat in the Phantom cockpit. So many dials and switches! to an eight year old I felt like a real fighter pilot.
Cheers Fedaykin, and thanks for your very onformative contribution in this thread. It is nice to hear things from the people who are up close, what they realy feel.
Thanks Sealordlawrence, the F124 is certainly going to see several changes over the next few years. When I visited her she lacked the 27mm bkk canon she is intended to be fitted with and they are keen on the 155mm PZh turret (I think that she will probably retain the 76mm Super rapid due to cost considerations.) On the bridge you do see the Meko class influences in her design (I have been on several meko class vessels including the Australian version) including the liberal use of green in all her fittings, I can see the design being as popular on the export market due to the flexibility in fit she offers. Its also interesting to see the modern trend in fitting Frigates with high speed diesels only.
If he said that then it’s an honest indication of the Darings’ capability. He is just one person, but coming from him it means a lot more.
It was a fascinating opportunity to talk to someone directly involved with the Sachsen. We discussed many things about the F124 and her future upgrades, he did feel that the Radar fitted to the Sachsen had several advantages over the American Aegis system. I was surprised that he felt that the t45 would be better in the AAW role but I think his argument boiled down to the fact that the t45 would benefit from being a slightly newer and larger design, I also get a feeling that he would of prefered the ASTER missile system (I should point out he also made clear that they are delighted with the perfomance of the currant missile fit). One the most interesting features he demonstrated was the Windows based automated control system which allowed him control over any system within the ship from the bridge. The control system is also hooked up to cameras allowing him to check on any compartment except the toilets!
A final amusing note is the fact that the crew of the Sachsen ran a bar in one of the helicopter hangers with tables set up on the heli deck. I had a lovely glass of Lager. 😀
P.S. Well done on hitting 1000 posts SeaLordLawrence.
Can and/or will the Type-23 Frigates be upgraded to fire the Aster-15/30 Missiles? :rolleyes:
With upgrades the RN feel that the Seawolf is adequate for the remaining duration of the t23 life.
Upgrading to MICA VL would be a fairly cheap option but I don’t know what advantage that system has over the Seawolf.