Well I don’t think the ROC were not expecting the PRC to put so much pressure on other countries to stop selling defence articles to them. Even the US is highly reluctant now to sell to Taiwan because of Chinese pressure. Countries that were happy to sell Taiwan equipment wouldn’t even dare now!
Too few airframes and too old, anyhow Serbia has already been SLEPing their remaining Mig-29.


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Mig-29M2 is more then adequate for their domestic air policing needs, fits into their current infrastructure and uses the same munitions. It has a useful ground attack capability and a MILSTD1553 equivalent avionics interface meaning they have the option to integrate interesting stuff down the line.
I agree that frankly the economics of it all makes me scratch my head and I fear they are going to struggle flying the things. What I do wonder is will Croatia re-evaluate their plans with this recent development, currently the Mig-21 were getting another SLEP if Serbia is getting something better maybe the Croatian will pull forward their fleet renewal plans?
I presume it has this feature so it can fit under bridges and in particular the Forth Road and Rail bridges!
OK Phillbob time for an answer you have been waiting long enough!
The answer is yes components from the C-130J program like engines could be crossed over into a p-3 replacement/refit program. Further from that Lockheed Martin did indeed propose as such more then once.
Read this article and ye shall have your answers!
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/graham-warwick/2007/08/p3-to-p8-an-airsea-saga-1.html
In many ways Sky Sword II is an AMRAAM! It uses a seeker derived from the Motorola-Raytheon design for the AIM-120 proposal that lost to Hughes. I have a sneaking suspicion that the Sky Sword II is closer to the Motorola-Raytheon missile then we realise. Remember the radar in the F-CK-1 is derived from the set developed for the F-20.
The way forward I think for US/Taiwan defence relations is further transfer of technology to allow local industry to build what they need for defence. For example the new Diesel submarines desperately needed could be built in Taiwan with US assistance.
jf17 is good solution for serbian problem and it should be cheap to run than mig29s.
j7 also good and even more cheap. china is replacing j7 with j10 now so there is lots of j7 coming on the market that is used.
but if they want new one they have to hurry cuz j7 line is ending soon!
No there will not be lots of used J-7 coming onto the market now China is drawing them down. The J-7 isn’t designed with a huge amount of airframe hours in comparison to more modern types. China had it in production for over forty years with incremental improvements, when an airframe wore out it was replaced off the line. J-7 being retired are scrapped, for example the J-7E shown below which has the later double delta is off to the scrap yard:

The only J-7 available were new build and that is now over, if you are an airforce that still wants a J-7 derivative then the only choice is the FTC-2000:

assuming there is no debt for Russia to use and that Serbia will have to pay for the airframes then you are right.
a better deal would be to get J-7s from El Chinos.
better yet.. why not ex Gripen As from Sweden. I’m sure they are willing to part with a few
No more new build J-7, the production line is being decommissioned now the last export order has been completed! These are the last examples to come off the line for Bangladesh:




As for JF-17 rather then Mig-29M2 whilst I agree it would be a good type for the Serbian airforce the latter will be easier to induct. It fits into current infrastructure, carries the same munitions and pilot conversion should be far easier. If Serbia has any sense they should look at acquiring a simulator as well meaning they can keep pilot currency up without using up airframe hours. A variant of the Rheinmetall Defence Electronics simulator of the Mig-29K for the Indian navy shown below is reasonable. If they can’t afford full motion at least a fixed dome example!

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Which would also cost a significant amount of money!
Why this obsession with a like for like replacement of Serbian ground attack capabilities? The G-4 and Mig-29M2 both have adequate ground attack capabilities alongside helicopters. The G-4 is an adequate LIFT for the Mig-29M2 and Serbia has the production and overhaul facilities, overhauling the G-4 to MD standard is significantly cheaper and of greater benefit to the Serbian aerospace industry then buying the Yak-130. The G-4 might well be thirty years old but Serbia can SLEP them easily, Serbia needs a basic air policing capability and a moderate ability to support their army. Spending valuable foreign currency or taking out a loan to buy the Yak-130 is wastefuil for the reasons you have laid out.
Apparently the J-7 production line will be crated up and mothballed when the have completed servicing the Bangladeshi order.
As for the G-4 upgrade, apparently they have gone out to tender with system integrators. According to Flight Global EADS Cassadian and Thales are in contention for that.
Actually weren’t 14 of those F-16s delivered to the USN to replace F-16N’s? From memory they’re still in service in an aggressor role with Naval Strike Air Warfare Center .
Indeed they were but after the September 11th attacks and the patching of relations between the US and Pakistan half of the 28 airframes were delivered to the PAF.
That is interesting as the Iranians say the only combat loss of an F-14 was to a Mig-21.
Frankly I take Iranian and Iraqi combat records of losses against each other with a HUUUUUUGGGGGEEEE dish of salt.
I used to support Boris Island but went off it when I realised how it clashed with Schiphol and the SS Richard Montgomery.
Personally I think that:
a) Gatwick get another runway and expand as a point to point airport.
B) Heathrow and Stansted swap role. Heathrow becomes a regional airport effectively using the facilities it already has close to the centre of London. Stansted gets several more runways and a high speed railway link into London so it can take over as the main international hub.
That way the South East gets an expansion in capacity and we get a hub airport outside London (and a similar distance out as Paris CdG) with the space to expand. No airport is closed which is the usual complaint about Boris Island taking over from Heathrow. Actually the South East might be better served as currently if you want to get a cheap regional flight you have to go through London to get to Luton or Stansted.
Wow! What a state they are in! For airframes not that old they are surprisingly tatty! If the paperwork trail is all over the place then yes it will be more economic to scrap!:apologetic:
Also criminal fraud and theft! Whilst it is not unusual for airlines to cannibalise parts from aircraft they own that wouldn’t be permitted with leased aircraft.
I am confused TMor?! Where did EELightning say that his team (and in that I assume you mean EADS) were any superior or would be doing any better at this point if they were in negotiations. All I saw was an observation that they were troubled negotiations which is no secret and that EADS still standing by to step in if needed which is also public knowledge.
Personally if the situation had been reversed I am pretty much certain EADS would be suffering exactly the same problems and you would no doubt be crowing about it at every opportunity.