Fair play;)

Oh yes it would, because if Rafale is selected as the RN plane, the RAF can focus on the EF to make it truly multirole, and use all the money it has sinked into barrel of the danaids to invest on further development of the EF & its subsystems & the rest on stealth UCAVs like Taranis follow on.

Nic

Really Nic, care to explain how an aircraft made in France developed entirely from French R&D is going to be more beneficial to UK PLC and R&D then the F-35? An aircraft that as a tier 1 partner the UK helped to design…:confused:

Arguably if the F-35 gets close to the planned build number it will be worth more to the UK then Typhoon.

Also I see everybody here has studiously ignored my MAIN POINT that despite development issues the F-35B out performs the legacy types it will replace in UK service…obviously too inconvenient a fact to deal with when it so much more fun irrationally hating the program and belittling the work of companies like BAE Systems, Martin Baker and Rolls Royce.

You can’t make claim of “massive benefit” and not expect to have to provide some meat to that claim.

Look what don’t you understand in the very simple statement:

“EVERY SINGLE F35 MADE WILL HAVE SIGNIFICANT BRITISH CONTENT IN PARTICULAR THE AFT FUSELAGE AND EJECTION SEATS!”

That is typed in caps to express me exasperation! It is nothing to do with my argumentation skills…it is very simple all F35 built benefit UK PLC…I think that is something to be celebrated.

Britain is a tier 1 partner and is building a significant proportion of the aircraft! How much meat do you want?!

Look if you don’t believe me when I say “EVERY SINGLE F35”! Have a look at BAE Systems fact sheet on the program! It is there in black and white:

http://www.baesystems.com/cs/groups/public/documents/document/mdaw/mdm4/~edisp/baes_026379.pdf

For a potential 3000+ build that is a massive return on investment for UK PLC.

I think that whilst there have been significant problems in the life of the program but there are many positives to be talked about as well and I am sick and tired of having somebody jump down my throat when I don’t show myself to be irrational hater of the program…I would argue that focusing only on where the program is not meeting targets and ignoring the positives is sign of poor argumentative skills on your part.

Grow up!

I must admit floating her out will be interesting with such little clearance either side.

Firstly actual procurement numbers haven’t been stated yet for the UK and that can be spread out over the life of the aircraft.

As for:

It would be useful if you could detail why you believe British involvement is an excellent deal for Britain rather than have us accept your word; you will note that my thoughts were offered as my opinion rather than an absolute claim.

Come off it that is well known, didn’t think you needed me to spell it out! The UK is a tier 1 partner! The aft fuselage on EVERY SINGLE F35 will be made in the UK. A significant proportion of the avionics are UK supplied. EVERY SINGLE F35 will have an MB ejection seat. All F35B will have a lift fan assembly made in the UK! Looking at all that for a type which could well end up having thousands made that is a massive injection into UK PLC and a great deal! Compare that to at best the chance to make Rafale CKD or Super Hornet off the shelf.

You clearly stated:

Aircraft which could be in service today (Naval varient included); which with the planned upgrade path the French have been successfully following will still be relevant alongside UCAV’s many decades into the future.

Without the caveat that it would be on US or French carriers I had to assume you meant on QE class! So no I was not making a strawman argument, only making a comment based on the statement you made!

As I said hate for hates sake!

I dont hate F-35, i got fed up with the relentless rant how
F-35 was n e a r l y identical to F-22 cause it’s clean :rolleyes:

How many times has this junk been quoted and wringed around ?

Well not by me, never mentioned the F-22 or its performance vs F35.

What I am saying is it outperforms British legacy types and highly benefits UK PLC. How is that a bad thing?

Indeed, but an increase in weight and complexity was to be expected considering what was being asked of the aircraft.

In an ideal world a completely different aircraft (but sharing certain sub systems) for land , navy and Marine Corp/FAA/RAF could of been developed. In that was the design could of been optimised for each role. That never had a chance of funding so F35 has to be a compromise with the limitations that entails.

Half of the issue for me with F35 Hate is Carlo and his crowd shouting at the top of their voices how bad it is because they want F-22!

The FIDF lad’s and ladette’s roaming around the place on ATV’s and their own gunned up Landies:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jKHPj1Pp7g

And before anybody asks, yes those are Steyr AUG! As the FIDF are not part of the British armed forces and are funded by the Falkland Islands Government as an independent self defence force they choose whatever equipment they want. By all accounts they are very effective in comparison to 82 operating as a scout and reconnaissance company.

I doubt the average Argentine even realises the Falkland Islands have their own self defence forces, funded by the local government from local taxation preferring to accept the myth that there is only an occupying colonial British garrison.