Flat out wrong. Sorry. Next…

NO i am not flat out wrong, a nation with aircraft manufacturing capability can build in a non total war economy easily 2 to 5 fighter jets a month.

This is just to supply orders.

MiG and Sukhoi easily can build for russia 5-10 aircraft a month if the money is available.

however in a time of defence cuts its hard for Russia since they do not have a war economy but just Lockheed can deliver 2-4 F-16s a month and most of them for export customers

see Russia’s Sukhoi can produce up to 40 SU-35 aircraft a year – director-general (2008-07-08)

By: Interfax-AVN military news agency website © BBC , BBC Monitoring

Moscow, 7 July: Director-general of the Sukhoi company Mikhail Pogosyan expects the Russian air Force to be among the first to order new multipurpose Su-35 aircraft. “In terms of series production possibilities, we have not rigid limits We can produce 20 or 30 aircraft a year…

http://www.epicos.com/epicos/portal/media-type/html/user/anon/page/default.psml/js_panename/News+Information+Article+View?articleid=108899&showfull=false

Lockheed martin in 2007 delivered 41 F-16s to non US air forces
see by your selfhttp://lmco.v1.myvirtualpaper.com/LM2007AnnualReport/?page=13

SO if you calculate a nation like Russia and the US can easily build 100 fighter aircraft a year

First of all the Indian Air Force wasn’t using Russian tactics. Secondly the Indian Air Force beat the F-15s due to numbers and ROE(remember this was an opportunity for the USAF to demonstrate why we need F-22s). This isn’t to say that Indian pilots aren’t very good(of that Flankers aren’t any good).
This still doesn’t show how proficient Chinese or Russian pilots are, so it’s a bit premature to extrapolate that information.

Any nation using russian weapons needs to base its tactics upon russian ones, because Russian equipment has some especifications and therefore these especifications are the base for a given tactic against an adversary X.

To design a tactic you have to consider what your aircraft can do and what it can not, you have to know the performance envelop of the whole system and the envelop of your rival.

You have to consider your defence network, applied to the aircraft offensive and defensive systems.

So saying an Indian Su-30MKI pilot won`t use similar tactics to a Russian Su-30 pilots is not accurate since basicly both aircraft have the same especifcations

Well, considering the equipement and the partners that Australia trains with regularly. I personally have no doubt that pilot for pilot Australia would come out on top! As for the J-10 being more agile than a Hornet. Experience and Weapon Systems likely mean more. Again considering the Equipment and Training. I believe Australia is the superior…….of course I am talking quantitatively not numerically.

Note: Australia will not get downgraded F-35’s…………..Which, will very likely be more capable that anything China or Russia could field. At least over the next couple of decades.

Your whole statement is based upon national preferences only, when the F-15s have faced the Su-30MKI they have been beaten by Indian pilots using tactics developed from Russian and western flying tactics improved by the Indians, this means there is not such thing like always a western pilot will fly better than an Asian or Russian pilot.

The chinese are not different they will fly as well a western pilot too and they have a plus over the Indians they are flying their own equipment.

Flying your own equipment means you are flying with the best technical instruction available since your own technicians developed the machine and no secrets are witheld from you, further more the engineers recieve direct feedback by the pilots that fly the war machine and quicker modifications can be done to the aircraft so a J-10 pilot will have excellent training you can bet on it

Australia’s F/A-18’s are being equipped with APG-73’s, AMRAAM’s, ASRAAM’s, and I believe HMD’s. That combined with better trained pilots would easily make them a match for most Flankers. That doesn’t even include the much more capable Super Hornets with APG-79 AESA Radars to be followed by the 5th Generation F-35’s. Sorry, Australia will have Air Superiority vs China for many years to come……….

Note: If, you believe first the PAK-FA will be in widespread service in just a few years. You must be drinking………….and even when it does enter service that hardly concludes it would be better than the F-22 or F-35. As a matter of fact the odds are against the latter.

How can you know the chinese are less capable and their training is inferior? how can you base that?

The Chinese Flankers also have equivalents to the AIM-120 and the R-73 is still useful, also the J-10 is very likely more agile than the F-18E, it has missiles that will give it almost a capability like the AIM-120 and AIM-9X.

Certainly it is not the most capable aircraft.

Another thing in their favour is China builds its own equipment and has the ability to use IRBMs to hit air bases and frighten the civilian population of any of her enemies

So in any hypothetical future airwar you ca not say China or India are less capable than Australia, another fact is the F-35s flown by non US forces are downgraded aircraft and in SAMs Russia and China are getting ahead of the USAF see this video

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VnnMNF-UKxE.

I doubt many believe China is matching Europe, the US, and Russia. Getting closer “yes” but that doesn’t translate to matching. As for Australia being not in China’s League. She has access to almost any US or European Weapon System she wants including such systems like the forthcoming F-35, M-1 Tanks, Super Hornets, Aegis Destroyers, Amphibious Assault Ships, etc. etc. Further, Australia works closely within the US Pacific Alliance. So, a Attack on her would be a Attack on the United States.

I agree in this point an Attack on her would be a Attack on the United States, that is totally true, therefore no nuclear power will attack Australia at this moment in time since England and the US will rescue and bail Australia.

But Technologically speaking they are not a match in terms of technology

Most of the australian weaponry is foreign, Australia does not make the F-18E niether the F-18C or the F-111, therefore as many other nations Australia is very limited to fight a war against a major power.

It the RAAF runs out of weapons needs exports to replace them or allies to base their aircraft in Australian soil, so the Australians have a compromised defence, that requieres that the currrent political situation remains the same all the time, if by any major reason it changes they are uncapable to defend themselves against a power like China or Russia that build their own weapons.

we can not foresee if the current political situation will remain the same for 40 or 50 years.

Now China has already catch up with the west and Russia. see

China at this moment can build a J-8II with most of all the components built and/or designed in China, true some components are foreign or licensed but now they can build the core systems by their own, the engine and the airframe, Australia has not a single jet aircraft made either fighter or commercial aircraft like Brazil in the E-190 or Sweden with the JAS-39 and is far far aways to a nation like Japan that builds the jets and jet engines by their own. Australia can make some aircraft but they can not match even Poland in technological level

Australian made aircraft

VS Polish made aircraft

This is ridiculous! You’ve gone well off the deep end MiG23. An invasion of Australia with 3 (?) Chinese carriers??? Do you have any idea how long it takes to be able to operate a carrier effectively? Just having one does not mean squat. It takes DECADES to learn to train the pilots, the ground crew, the LSO’s etc. The reason the Americans, Brits and French can do it is because of corporate memory. The Chinese have no such memory to build on.

And the Indian carrier being powerful??? Please. It’s just another White Elephant project. It would be sunk a just after a first strike by it’s aircraft by the RAN.

Whatever fantasy world you are living in sounds like a good time… get to compare Paraguay and Romania. talk about Indian invasions of Australia, look at maps from CARLO KOPP!

First read this

The 2008 “Military Power of the People’s Republic of China” stated “evidence in recent years increasingly suggests China’s leaders may be moving forward with an aircraft carrier program. For example, beginning in early 2006 and with the release of China’s Eleventh Five Year Plan, PRC-owned media reported on statements from high-level government and military officials on China’s intent to build aircraft carriers – including a March 2007 statement from the then-minister of China’s Commission on Science, Technology and Industry for National Defense (COSTIND).”

As of 2008, Russia was believed to have been providing assistance for several years in the construction of three Chinese-designed aircraft carriers. Some analysts have thus predicted that China could have an operational carrier by 2015, while others have considered 2020 to be a more realistic timeframe.

No confirmed work on any project of any size had been observed or reported as of August 2008.

source http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/china/cv.htm

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October 24, 2008: A Russian couple were recently convicted of trying to sell technical details of the Russian aircraft carrier Kuznetsov, to China for $300,000. The 55 year old husband got 12 years, the 49 year old wife got nine. They were caught with the classified data last year.

The Chinese have been refurbishing the Varyag, one of two Kuznetsov class that Russia began building in the 1980s, for several years now. Chinese officials have admitted publicly, for several years now, that they have detailed plans of
source http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htintel/articles/20081024.aspx
Given the need to cover all the scenarios described above, it is likely that China’s military spending will continue to rise, with the 2009 military budget reflecting at least a 10 percent increase over this year.

Some equipment intended for combat operations against Taiwan will be replaced, and there will be some adjustments in the deployment of this equipment. The pressure to maintain a vigilant “military deterrence” against Taiwan is expected to continue.

It is worth noting, however, that with the warming of cross-strait relations and the balance of military power in the Taiwan Strait already tilted in China’s favor, the PLA will likely focus its military build-up in other directions, particularly in the upgrading of long-range military projection capability.

Close attention should be paid to China’s building of a new aircraft carrier fleet, its development and deployment of more ICBMs, SSBNs, new bombers and new-generation fighters. The Chinese military industry will also take this opportunity to put greater effort and expenditure into upgrading and expanding its research for the development of new weapons systems.

http://www.upiasia.com/Security/2008/10/24/chinas_prime_potential_enemies/3728/

What an idiotic discussion, an invasion of Australia? 😮

What a clever observation, i guess you can not see all humans are the same and emerging nations of today can become the bullies of tomorrow, continue dreaming the past is the present and in the future all the present political conditions will remain the same:rolleyes:.

Australia as any other nation faces external threats and this can lead to an invasion of their country, in fact the RAAF exists to prevent it

The now certain deployment of strategic bombers, evidenced by development of the H-6K, by the PLA-AF will fundamentally alter the strategic balance in the near region. This map illustrates the coverage footprint of the Tu-95MS Bear H and Tu-22M-3 Backfire C flown from southern China and Myanmar basing. The footprint of Indian deployments of like types is included for comparison (C. Kopp).

source picture text
http://www.ausairpower.net/strategy.html

I get fun thinking about Sarah Palin saying she’s sympathizes with Joe the Plumber and the Middle Class while wearing her four figure dollars dresses from Neiman Marcus and Saks Fifth Avenue.

All the politicans are the same, they defend the poor just to live as the rich do, nowhere they are really honest and very few politicians are really honest, a few maybe only Gandhi but the vast of them are a bunch of hypocrites who decieve the masses with words of justice while they still represent the same system they critize.

If the F-22 survives has to do more with the clout an aerospace company has in the ruling class of a country like Artem Mikoyan did in the stalin and soviet years thank to his brother Anastas Mikoyan