I have to say, I’m finding it hard to get my head around the idea of a bunch of children covering the roundel of MH434 with painted paw prints. Its such an bizarre thing to do. Its even more bizarre that someone actually even thought of it.
Perhaps its a devious ploy to confuse the roundel police!
Or perhaps confuse us.
I was thinking that maybe when the kids roundel was removed, it would reveal that they had been corrected! 😮
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Paul
It looks as though it’s had a lick of paint too. Now wearing 440 squadron codes as 18-T
Indeed.
Some pictures of the official Canadian rollout here: –
http://forum.planetalk.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=11388
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Paul
Try to get a copy of Bruce Robertson’s Spitfire-The Story of a Famous Fighter published 1960. Harleyford Publications It shows a 1/72nd three view of the T9 Irish Air Corps No 161 (PV202) the Duxford T9.
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Tony K
Oh, I forgot about that!
I’ve got it also.
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Paul
FB,
What sought of size and quality are you after?
The only one I’ve seen is a copy in ‘Spitfire – The History (actually of the proposed T MK XVI, but essentially the same).
Like the rest of the Spitfire GA drawings, it’ not entirely accurate, but I can scan if it for you if you want.
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Paul
Isnt the cockpit on the Mk. 9 two seaters moved forward too? Its my understanding the prototype two seater a Mk.8 had the cockpit moved forward 6″ or so, that must do something negative to the CG,,
Yes, it was moved forward, about 13 inches actually.
Here’s the audio from a lecture by former Test & current Warbird pilot Dave Southward, on flying the Spitfire, with some interesting comments about handling in pitch.
Worth checking out the other parts (5 more) that were uploaded.
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Paul
All tail draggers need the cg behind the main wheels to avoid tipping over but this has nothing to do with relationship between the cg and the aero centre for stable flight. I remember being told that aircraft normally had a downforce from the tailplane in order to maintain stability in pitch, but this would depend upon the static mounting of the fixed part as well as the elevator angle. Aircraft with the tailplane giving a lifting force would indeed be very sensitive on the control in pitch, and require continuous attention when flying. However, aircraft stability is a specialist subject about which I cannot speak with any particular authority.
Very true, especially when one considers that the Spitfire is (especially the later marks), nose heavy on the ground, due to the fact that the CoG is close to the main wheels. This why the the runup is limited to around 1800 rpm on the airworthy examples today with nothing holding the tail down, as any more is inviting lifting it, and probably a hefty bill from Hoffman!
In the air, it as has been mentioned that the elevator is very light, powerful, and sensitive. (More so on the two seaters with an occupant in the rear). If you’ve ever seen video footage taken from the rear cockpit of a two seater looking aft, during a loop for example, you’ll see that the elevator appears not to move!
In all the pilot reports and comments I’ve read about flying the Spitfire, this is the one thing that seems to astound the pilots. Powerful elevators with hardly any effort needed to move them , and not much stick movement either, plus the fact that they are still very powerful and effective during the landing.
Maybe the elevator control in the Spitfire isn’t acceptable by modern standards, but I think in combat, most pilots would prefer it’s pitch characteristics over that of the 109 or Mustang!
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Paul
That means the centre of gravity is too far forward such that the aircraft is tail heavy and needs down elevator to lift the tail and maintain level flight. Surely that just produces needless drag.
I’m not sure that is actually correct, as wartime Spitfires (with a more aft CoG) still flew with the elevator in a slightly down position!
I believe the question as to why the Spitfire flew with the elevator in this position was asked in Aeroplane Monthly a few years ago, and answered by former test & Shuttleworth pilot (and one time forum member) Andy Sephton.
I can’t remember his exact answer, but I believe it’s the position the elevator needs to be in to maintain level flight when trimmed out for it. (much as what 8674 planes says).
As a side note, I should mention that all the Spitfire Flight Models I have done for both Flight Simulator 9 & X (using a specially designed Excel Spreadsheet for the purpose), the elevator position, when trimmed out, behaves as it does on the real thing!
PV202 looks nice in her new scheme btw! 🙂
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Paul
This made me rush outside at Farnborough, lovely sound.
Me too!
Looked like the pilot was having fun! 🙂
Any idea why Chalgrove, not the most common place to go to?
Not sure, (heard him tell Farnborough he was en route there), and the live traffic movement page on the Shoreham Airport site listed Chalgrove as the destination.
Couldn’t make out if it was in it’s new scheme (112 Sqn??) but as you say, it sounded nice!
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Paul
P-51 N167F (ex SHF ‘Old Crow’) en route from Shoreham to Chalgrove just after 3 PM.
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Paul
D-Day Anniversary Air Show Participation List
Brian
Thanks Brian.
I note is SX336 on the list!
It will be good to see her back in the air.
I wonder if she will sport a new paint job?
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Paul
Just seen the full video on You Tube.
In my eyes, the poor chap was clearly executed, having been taken down by the first rounds and incapacitated. (When told to put his hands up, he says, “I can’t move’).
Still, one would have thought that would have been enough, but the officers offload several more rounds into him, and seeing his lifeless body, they still seem to think he was threat to them! (An officer can be heard saying ” “Somebody step on that right hand real hard”).
Awful.
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Paul
Oh yes, and of course Airframe Assemblies! 🙂 😮
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Paul
Thanks as usual to the usual DX ‘Paparazzi’ for their continued coverage, and the excellent shots of N3200.
And congrats to all at HFL/ARC for another stunning MKI restoration. 🙂
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Paul
Very nice!
Thanks for sharing.
Here’s a picture of Jacek after arriving at Biggin, from the Biggin Hill Heritage Hangar Facebook page: –
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Paul
Not sure if this clip has been posted before, but it involves MH434 and the late Mark Hanna!
You’ll have to wait until around the 4:10 mark though! :eagerness:
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Paul