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  • in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2246950
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    So , just to clarify , the above mentioned 3 Indian companies did NOT tie up with a foreign vendor ?

    Not at the OEM level, but at Tier 1 and Tier 2, they have plenty of tie ups.

    HAL – BEL winning means just what I said that the Indian Government prefers Government companies to Private ones.

    When other vendors fail to clear the vendor down select or the technical bid, it is hardly preferential treatment.

    I think the Indian Government need to establish similar procedures for Private defense companies in India .

    Let’s just say that you don’t have the faintest idea of the effort that has been put in to develop private sector defence suppliers base. To keep it short, it’s not just the case of private enterprises approaching the developers but majorly the case of developers and OEMs approaching private enterprises. So while at the OEM level the field is currently dominated by the PSUs and government organisations, the Tier 1 level is being rapidly overtaken by the private sector and many have graduated to OEM level in a very short time period.

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2247770
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    Is there any possibility in India for Private companies both Foreign & Domestic to win Defense contracts given the fact that traditionally the Government of India has shown a bias towards Indian Government owned Defense companies ?

    Incorrect, as of today there is no bias towards government owned corporations. Foreign companies and products can only succeed if they are built locally or they are so exotic that they are out of bounds. Most private companies, as of today, cannot clear the vendor scrutiny stage for complex programs for which they are competing/have competed, mostly unsuccessfully. As of today, most private organisations lack:-
    a) Production infrastructure
    b) Experience in designing complex systems even as sub vendors
    The current capability of several private sector corporations prevents them from being anything better than sub vendors of DPSUs, which is still a relief because 15 years back almost everything except nuts, bolts and connectors had to be made in house.

    DRDO’s role was supposed to be akin to that of DARPA in the US, however due to decades of wrong policies, all the public sector defence companies lost whatever little R&D capabilities they had to begin with, if any. So today DRDO has to do the heavy lifting of not only designing the technology, but also developing associated technologies after which it is sold/licensed to a DPSU. Since DRDO itself wants more diversity in the production base, today several companies compete to obtain licenses for DRDO’s designs/technologies. For eg: Rustom-II UAV is a R&DE and ADE (both DRDO labs) design, the manufacturing was given out via an open tender between Tata, Mahindra, L&T and HAL-BEL joint team, which the latter won.

    As far as R&D in private sector is concerned, most private sector companies (barring L&T and to a very small extent Tata conglomerate) lack all capacity for any serious in house research, however several private sector organisations have been given precedence over public sector organisations when it comes to research in critical areas (for eg- Astra Microwave jointly holds several AESA related patents with LRDE(a DRDO Lab) instead of BEL on critical projects such as aew&c and Tejas’ AESA MMR). The private sector companies are more active in land warfare systems where they have competed/are competing against Public Sector companies because it’s a low hanging fruit and the technology is readily available for purchase off the shelf/technology barrier is not very high for entry(NAMICA, FICV, LSV, LAMV).

    Now DRDO wants to limit it’s role as a system integrator and have several companies compete with their own products while limiting it’s research to critical/strategic technologies. The companies that are sub vendors of DPSUs will be upgraded in stature based on the experience under the belt and compete on equal terms. So, say 5-10 years from now, BEL might have to compete against L&T, TATA group (Tata SED, HELA, Tata ASL), Astra Microwaves, VEM tech, Alpha Design and Tech, Samtel, Data Patterns and other PSUs like Keltron and ECIL for development of complete systems. Same with HAL which is relatively safe today but will face very stiff competition for ADA contracts a couple of decades later from Mahindra Aerospace, TASL and L&T.

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2248130
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    I was checking the ADA website, they have removed the tab for Ghatak/AURA.

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2248203
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    Re the L1 clause that India uses while procuring aircrafts , helos etc is it necessary when Life Cycle Cost (LCC) is also taken into consideration ?

    L1 bid is calculated based on lifecycle costs.

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2250982
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    Deliveries of the last contracted 59 Mi-17V5 have started. Remaining 40 would be delivered by end of 2015.
    http://voiceofrussia.com/news/2014_02_12/Russia-supplies-first-batch-of-Mi-17B-5-helicopters-to-India-8674/

    in reply to: Indian Navy : News & Discussion – V #2032285
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    With P-75I RFP’s issued, India has started the groundwork for indigenous submarine designs (Project-76 class submarines). Not much details available right now, but the two submarine lines which would be established under P-75I would be used for the P-76 submarine construction. Under P-75I, two subs will be imported, three would be built at MDL (Mazagon Docks Ltd) and one sub at HSL (Hindustan Shipyards Ltd). MDL makes Scorpenes and HSL makes Arihant class.

    http://www.deccanherald.com/content/385482/india-manufacture-indigenous-submarines-soon.html?mstac=0

    in reply to: Indian Navy : News & Discussion – V #2032289
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    http://www.spsshownews.com/exclusive/?id=46&h=Indian-Boomer-in-Service-This-Year?

    INS Arihant should enter service later this year, after some missiles being fired from it. Two AIP modules for 5th and 6th Scorpene are under construction.

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2251363
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    Is there any planned path from this Rustom II UAV (seems analogous to RQ-1 Predator) to something comparable to RQ-9?

    Sorry, I forgot to answer your query when I intended to in the previous post. Yes, there is a development plan for a more powerful MALE UAV, not sure if a Rustom derivative as the roadmap is not clear. Rustom is a R&DE-ADE (both DRDO labs) effort that will be manufactured under contract by HAL. HAL itself has it’s own plans for UAVs.

    HAL has made detailed technical stipulations for the family of UAVs it is seeking to partner in. The medium altitude long range UAV will be a multirole platform for intelligence, surveillance, target acquisition and reconnaissance, data relay and communications, scientific and weather forecasting, in addition to disaster management and relief coordination. The MALE UAV will be in the two tonne class, 15 metres long and with a wingspan of 30 metres, capable of deploying a payload of 500 kg, 50 hours endurance and a top speed of 500 km/h.

    http://www.spsmai.com/exclusive/?id=4&q=HAL-scouts-partner-for-new-UAV-family

    There is also a small turbofan in development for UAVs called Laghu Shakti engine by HAL-GTRE(DRDO).
    http://i.imgur.com/DLzbZxq.jpg

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2251365
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    http://www.sps-aviation.com/exclusive/?id=279&q=India-chooses-Litening-G4-for-combat-aircraft-fleet

    Around 150 litening generation 4 pods ordered by the IAF. So not only is current generation Litening pod aeons ahead of Damocles pod, it is also cheaper. With Litening II also upgradable to Litening Gr4 standards, 220 litening pods would imply close to one pod to every three and half fighters and if one excludes Bisons, the ratio improves significantly. Not a bad ratio.

    in reply to: Indian Navy : News & Discussion – V #2032328
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    http://www.sps-aviation.com/exclusive/?id=277&q=Coast-Guard-Sea-Hunter-Aircraft-Bid-to-Kick-Off

    Coast guard will issue RFP for patrol aircraft soon, separate from Navy’s requirement which is quite upper end. The mission equipment on Coast Guard planes would be local.

    in reply to: INS Vikramaditya: Steaming towards Induction #2032346
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    Sorry, not the greatest translation…..

    Why translate an english article into portugese and back to english again ?
    http://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/choppy-first-ride-home-for-long-awaited-vikramaditya/article1-1182361.aspx

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2252231
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    http://i.imgur.com/zJDAIz9.jpg
    Large area displays by Samtel.

    http://i.imgur.com/32jV4ig.jpg
    MFDs compatible with night vision imaging systems

    http://i.imgur.com/GkzP7y5.jpg

    in reply to: Indian Air Force Thread 20 #2252588
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    Is there any planned path from this Rustom II UAV (seems analogous to RQ-1 Predator) to something comparable to RQ-9?

    As it turns out, there is no rush to arm Rustom 2, but they are arming Rustom 1, and introducing a conventional take off and landing version of Nishant UAV (currently truck launched) which would make it an analogue of Searcher II.

    The domain of unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) has unsurprisingly emerged as a focus area for indigenous military development and production efforts. Indeed domestic UAV programmes are serving as a draw for the private sector with participation from both medium and small scale enterprises (MSME) as well as large conglomerates. And besides the usual clutch of sub-assemblies, major sub-systems such as sensor payloads and engines are also being increasingly sourced from Indian industry.

    The flagship UAV programme at the moment is the Rustom-II being developed in the lead by the Defence Research and Development Organisation’s (DRDO’s) Aeronautical Development Establishment (ADE) based in Bangalore. The Rustom-II is a medium altitude long endurance (MALE) UAV with an altitude ceiling of 32,000 feet and an endurance of up to 35 hours. This bird is being designed to meet the needs of all three services with different configurations, naturally. However, while the Indian Navy (IN) version is slated to carry mostly electro-optical payloads and maritime patrol radar, the Indian Army (IA) and Indian Air force (IAF) versions are a more involved proposition tailored to carry Electronic Intelligence (ELINT), Communications Intelligence (COMINT) and Synthetic Aperture Radar (SAR) packages as well. In fact a new indigenously developed airborne Ku-band SAR scheduled to commence trials this year on a flying test bed will eventually take pride of place on the Rustom-2.

    Two Rustom-2 prototypes have been developed thus far, one of which was displayed at Defexpo 2014 in Pragati Maidan, New Delhi. The programme is currently in iterative development mode with refinements in aerodynamic shaping underway and it is likely that a total of eight prototypes will be built with the last one serving as the base for production variants. While the target weight for the Rustom is roughly around 1800 kilograms (kgs), the current prototypes are about 400 kgs over that benchmark. Moreover it is unlikely that the final variant will be less than 2100 Kgs. With that figure in mind and typical margins for capability growth, DRDO has decided to fit the Rustom-2 with new diesel engines.

    As such the two existing 125 HP Rotax 914 engines (one on each wing) are slated to be replaced by new 200 HP class diesel engines supplied by Lycoming. Interestingly, the new engine configuration is slated to be indigenized with a domestically developed equivalent as a result of a collaborative effort between DRDO’s Vehicle Research and Development Establishment (VRDE) and Tech Mahindra. The Rustom-2’s private sector footprint obviously extends into the MSME sector as well. For instance, Bangalore based FLOTECH Engineering & Trading services is supplying aircraft fuel rigs for the Rustom-2 while Nfotec Digital Engineering Pvt. Ltd from the same city is providing CAD design and CFD analysis support services to the program.

    Slated to take to the skies for the first time this year, Rustom-2 prototypes will soon enter a phase wherein critical operational safety aspects such as waypoint navigation back to the nearest friendly airbase in the event of satellite link failure at distances which are also beyond VHF line of sight and the fine tuning of the on board traffic collision avoidance system (TCAS) will be worked upon. After all the operational altitude of the Rustom-2 (i.e 30000 feet) is basically where most civilian airliners fly today. Of course in the near future Indian air traffic control regulations will need to be modified to accommodate the growth of UAV flights in the country. For the moment, the Rustom-2 is confined to military airspace.

    The other indigenous UAV bearing legendary Aerospace scientist and engineer, Rustom B. Damania’s name, the Rustom-I is also set for interesting times ahead. As revealed by Dr K. Tamilmani, Director-General Aeronautical systems, DRDO, to Geek at Large, Rustom-I is likely to be India’s first armed UAV and work is underway to integrate the Helina (which is the air-launched version of the Nag anti-tank missile) with it. Carriage trials are expected to begin this September. The Rustom-2 which will also carry munitions eventually will see weapon release trials in 2017.

    Meanwhile, the Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) has bitten the bullet on the Nishant UAV which is already in service with the IA and some 16 units of a customized version are set to find place in its inventory. Given the terrain in which the CRPF variant will be operated, DRDO labs have worked together to reduce the number of support vehicles for it by a third. Importantly, the CRPF version will fly with an indigenously developed wankel rotary engine with a rating of 55 HP replacing its current ALVIS AR-801 engine.

    This engine developed by VRDE is already under production at a private facility operated by SMC in Hyderabad with eight sets scheduled to be delivered soon. The indigenous engine which can apparently be uprated to 65 HP will also power the conventional take-off and landing (CTOL) version of the Nishant which weighs some 25 kgs more than the current truck-launched version and will see its first conventional take-off in April this year.

    To understand the large domestic private sector footprint of the Nishant program it could be noted that the GIS solution for it has come from Pegasus software consultants, Digitronics has provided power supply, Meru Precision Industries has supported the development of many sub-assemblies and the Gimballed Payload Assembly and Servo Electronic System has come from Tata Power SED.

    The big story of course is the progressive indigenization of the propulsion system for these UAV programs. Propulsion after all is that one thing that stands between the Indian aerospace sector becoming more or less sufficient ( naturally more intense efforts on airborne fire control radars is also required) and being dependent on the West or Russia. I would go out on a limb to say that the pursuit of propulsion technology in general should be elevated to the level of a national ideology in India and effective resources must be made available to this objective. I’ll leave you with this video of the Rustom-2 undergoing engine ground runs and taxi trials at its home facility.

    http://ibnlive.in.com/blogs/sauravjha/2976/65074/desi-uav-efforts-taking-flight-for-india.html

    in reply to: Indian Missiles News #1789028
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    Brahmos-M seems a far more practical weapon for aerial deployment than Brahmos-A. Why are they even bothering with the latter — or rather with the expensive modification of only some Su-30s to offer only single missile carriage capability — when the far more flexible Brahmos-M is in the works?

    The modifications to 40 Su-30Mki are being done to enable them to launch a very high speed two ton nuclear tipped missile referred to as “Air launched article” (ALA). ALA as of today is a black project, but it should be in public domain in the coming years. Can’t say which project is a spin off from another, but either case being a spin off is good.

    in reply to: Indian Navy : News & Discussion – V #2032437
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    http://i.imgur.com/Diqnn8M.jpg
    Scaled down model of DRDO’s Autonomous Underwater Vehicle. The AUV will undergo Navy trials later this year. Displacement- 1.7 tons, payload 500 Kgs, Operational depth limit 500 meters.

    http://i.imgur.com/ZmG3wQz.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/ea7PghF.jpg

    L&T’s Autonomous Underwater Vehicle, Adamya(Sanskrit: Tenacious), designed for launch from a torpedo tube.

    http://i.imgur.com/iRW2eJr.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/byrMGiY.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/bPXKnjl.jpg

    Goa Shipyards offering Shortened Saryu Class OPV for export

    http://i.imgur.com/uOeCKvL.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/Wk6pf4u.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/gnbMD6f.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/tnHIHxF.jpg
    http://i.imgur.com/dYchnF1.jpg

    Pipavav shipyards’ OPV 5 being built for Indian navy, 4 for export (rumoured to be Nigeria).

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