You are right about F-15 wing buffet, but how can you solve wing buffet by adding more weight to the plane?
Because then the plane is less sensitive to changes in wing load.
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The integration of an AAM including the IR-ones into a radar-system is very demanding, because some related source-code is in need for that task.
Depends how the code is setup.
Can be easy. Can be tricky.
Again and I cannot reinforce this enough – MBDA (formerly Matra) – integrated Meteor onto Gripen first. That is not something that is done if it is the most complex of integrations… not when a significant degree of company & program prestige is resting on it.
With the Rafale also being a Meteor customer – that speaks volumes for the interoperability of the MBDA and Gripen systems… and MBDA’s knowledge of the Gripen system.
It may be “compatible” to a limited extent. The question is whether the radar supports the MICA datalink for midcourse updates.
The Rafale has a 1 way datalink, used for Mica.
The Gripen has a 2 way datalink, which can be/is used for Meteor updates.
Making the latter act like the former is software only – and given MBDA built both missiles, likely not a seismic shift either. Again, not much there to make me believe it cannot/has not been done already.
I can find nothing official that MICA EM can be used on the Gripen, just the MICA IR.
I can find historical info on it on the likes of flightglobal.
That, put with MBDA (building the Meteor) being formerly Matra, who built the Mica – using the Gripen as a launch frame, is enough to convince me that there is compatibility.
Sorry haavarla for correcting you, but no one has real usage from higher wing loading. Everybody wants lower wing loading.
Can be useful for low-altitude flight.
For instance, the F-15E has lighter than idea wing loading for its primary role – producing a very buffet-prone ride for its pilot/nav.
The flip side is that the aircraft bleeds less energy in maneuvering, which gives it a useful (if not stellar) A2A capability in a furball and a better ability to evade SAM shots.
So you have no problem to give us the weaponary in frontline service with the Gripen already. If that is not enough you can give that not made by the USA. In short a Gripen becomes a flying toy without that.
The Gripen is one of the more flexible fighters in terms of weapons available today. Considering A2A only:
AIM-9
IRIS-T
AMRAAM
Meteor
MICA
Multiple sources of munitions.
Furthermore, since most customers will already have a store of munitions, the Gripen is almost certain to be compatible with those.
Whatever weaponary or software integration is in need to make a fighter a capable weapon-system f.e. with the F-16-system compared to the Gripen-system we will come to a draw and just the political preferences will till the balance in general.
Thats rubbish!
They both already are fully networked using compatible datalinks. If anything, the Gripen has more flexibility and better datalinking capabilities than F-16, so would be a cost reduction!!
The life-cycle cost of a F-16 does not differ much from that of a Gripen.
Now. In your own words, to stay serious…!!
For instance
Over a 30 year 150 hr/yr life, the cost breakdown is:
Gripen:
Purchase – $68m
Operating – $11.25m
Total – $79.25m
x9 Gripen = $713.25m
F-16:
Purchase – $74m
Operating – $16.65m
Total – $90.65m
x8 F-16 = $725.2m
Difference = 15%
So you get 9 Gripens for ~ the price of 8 x F-16s
Not forgetting the quote from Janes:
βAt an estimated $4,700 per hour (2012 USD), the Gripen compares very favorably with the Block 40 / 50 F-16s which are its closest competitor at an estimated $7,000 per hour,β
So, using those with the above purchase costs over a 30 year 150 hr/yr life, the cost breakdown is:
Gripen:
Purchase – $68m
Operating – $21.15m
Total – $89.15m
[x12 Gripen = $1069.8m]
F-16:
Purchase – $74m
Operating – $31.5m
Total – $105.5m
[x10 F-16 = $1055]
Difference = 18%
So you get 12 Gripens for ~ the price of 10 x F-16s
Not approximately equal when you can afford to stand up an extra 4 fighters in 20!
For question two a 20 tons new built F-16C Block 50 is hard to beat by the 14 tons Gripen C a similar mission in mind when for the 16 tons Gripen NG it is no longer so.
Ahh, the classic trap, a comparison on a 1v1 basis.
Who says a fleet of Gripen doesn’t offer more compared to the the equivalent (life-)cost fleet of newbuild F-16?
I did specifically mention life-cost.
Are 2 F-16 better than 3 Gripen?
Or are 2 F-16 better than 4 Gripen?
I would very much think not for both cases.
“In 1979, the Swedish government began development studies for an aircraft capable of fighter, attack and reconnaissance missions to replace the Saab 35 Draken and 37 Viggen.” or in short with the technology at hand from that time-scale = early 80s. The late first flight was due to the risen software demands. Just in the 90s the Gripen A got the final software upgrade for all mission roles shown by the new designation C from a related avionic ugrade.
Now now Sens.
You do know when the ATF program kicked off right?
So the F-22 is now 3 decades overdue a replacement using your logic!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-19004142
Had 9 in vee plus a chase in Belfast today. (Can’t see the chase in this vid – I spotted him with the mk1 eyeball hanging a few miles east though)
A single European aircraft isn’t necessarily the answer, and actually creates opposition to the project when there is no need to create such hostility. Subsystems and engines are where most of the cost comes from, but competition is also a good thing, so the focus should be on compatibility of these subsystems. Countries wishing to make a fighter can then have a fighter project that integrates the systems as they wish, or form a European project for it, it doesn’t much matter as savings are still likely to be realised all-round.
Indeed, focus should be on tailored airframes with common systems.
Unfortunately, there would undoubtedly be moaning by someone over loss of specialisation in-nation in building the particular system that they were interested in if it were designated to another nation.
Lets say that these techniques are eventually able to reliably pickup and track aircraft with much reduced RCS, where next for aircraft design?
Good question.
Well, as usual, things will focus on:
1(a) increase your own situational awareness
1(b) reduce the enemy’s situational awareness
2(a) lengthen your own engagement envelope
2(b) reduce their engagement envelope
3(a) increase your own tolerance of their weapons
3(b) reduce their tolerance of your weapons
With solutions like:
1(a): Continued networking, including space based assets. Continued improvement in passive detection, like IRST.
1(b): Improved onboard jamming, further RCS reduction, deployable UAV jammers
2(a): Improved speed, better missiles, lasers
2(b): Speed, 1(b), ECCM, lasers to shoot down incoming missiles
3(a): lasers to shoot down incoming missiles, smart armour
3(b): improved lethality of missiles/laser power
You are effectively saying (to my simple brain) that there is no way to counter these techniques with the design of the aircraft?
The ability of radar to pick out low observables improves with compute power.
How quick is compute power increasing? If anything, at the moment, for this kind of processing, it is out-stripping Moore’s law due to the harnessing of gpGPUs for large numerically intensive processes that can run multiple threads at once.
The present Gripen is from the 80s and three decades overdue for a replacement.
The Saab Gripen first flew in 1987 and was introduced in 1997.
The F-22 first flew in 1997 and was introduced in 2005. Is it 2 decades overdue for a replacement? :confused:
The Saab Gripen C/D is being replaced with the E/F – which is more than sufficient for most needs over the next decade or two. Which will bridge the gap to multi-role UCAVs.
That 25 percent increase in capability for a lesser rosen price tag makes sense only when you are in need of that extra 25% during daily use really.
?!?!
How many fighters actually ever need the extra 25% for their daily use?
How often are fighters actually used in real combat situations against sophisticated enemies?
The NG has to offer more than a new F-16 because it is still a none-stealth design and a low cost option for the Euro-canards at first.
Who says a fleet of Gripen doesn’t offer more compared to the the equivalent (life-)cost fleet of newbuild F-16?