Will you be building it as an F1a?
A true masterpiece of engineering design.
🙂
You should see a Victor main leg on retraction. The other one I always found interesting was the Jaguar.
Very convincing. There’s weight to much of what you say. On the other hand, I seem to recall that ‘buying British’ was actually quite a powerful thing in those days.
Are we not talking of the World Cup era, ‘Backing Britain’ etc etc? – this does not seem to sit too squarely with all the conspiracy theories and to me the whole thing smacks more of bungling and ****-up. We had a few before and we’ve had a few since, from governments of all colours.
Actually, scrapping British was more the game in the sixties. Try looking up all the home grown projects that were scrapped in that decade.
If you mean the door attatched to the main leg unit then the leg itself is pivoted as it retracts. The locking strut (fitted at an angle to both leg and u/c bay) folds in the middle during retraction. The ground locks are two pip-pins that prevet the strut from folding on the ground due to soft hydraulics
(a problem with Lightnings).
Still don’t see what the political gain would have been.
Politicians (of whatever colour) rarely do things that don’t carry a benefit for themselves.
It’ll still take a while before that is released to the public domain.
I’d go for political pressure from the other side of the water.
The stanford-tucks attribute much of their wartime success to the fitment of this.
Moggy
You beat me to it.
I swear…I have the uncanny ability to kill a thread dead in the water…..
I can’t even keep track of how many threads I’ve done that too…..for whatever reason….lol.
It can’t be for lack reason in your posts. I think you are right, the USAF will not go for an Airbus, even if it does offer more.
I think you’ll find that the larger internal tank was using the flaps for tankage from the P1bs onward.
Seeing as the service life was determined to be at most ten years, there was a certain reluctance to improve it much.
The Red Top was a great improvement over the Firestreak as it could also tackle a head-on target. The major advantage of the two missiles compared to say the Sidewinder was their size and payload. If one got near you and went off you were going down.
“Reliably” sounds well, but you know that the additional drag is a function of the Mach number, and as that I guess the 270 gallons refer to normal cruising speed. That external tanks use up half of their content “for themselves” is a rule of thumb, it is hard to calculate exactly. When the regime is changed from subsonic to supersonic, the allowance might increase.
Seeing as anything above cruise is likely to use up the fuel in minutes, I had assumed that. I am also aware of the drag rule, how to calculate drag and the effects of drag at transonic speeds.
The thing about the Lightning is that the difference between clean and normal load is very little. There are very few combat aircraft like that.
Well it had supercruise of sorts, and along with the F-104 Starfighter, it could indeed exceed the speed of sound without afterburner, but only in the clean configuration, so I don’t see how this “supercruise” ability was going to be of any use.
Which aircraft actually had the shorter range/radius of action – the MiG-21 or the Lightning?:confused:
The Lightning rarely flew in anything but clean config. It was only the F6’s that were stressed for overwing tanks.
I believe the Mig 21 had the shorter range (internals).
The overwings had a capacity of 270 gallons each and I was reliably informed by my instructer at the Lightning ground servicing school that 270 gallons was required to overcome the extra drag of the tanks. What with the Avons burning something like 500 gallons/hr at maximum each (dry) then you’d have about 20-25 minutes extra with them fitted (on a good day, downhill, tailwind etc).
I’m well aware that it had many other limitations (not least fuel/range) but that didn’t stop it from being an impressive beast.
Apart from the range, the rest of the limitations centered around a lack of updates. It was originally thought that it would have a ten year service life so major modifications not even contemplated.
I would also expect the drag/lift ratio to be not much better than that of later jets, especially in transonic/supersonic regime. So where is the secret?
Teddy Petter?
Well the Lightning actually has better climb performance than an F-15 which says a lot.
There are other areas where the Lightning didnt shine like carrying weapons over distance. 🙂
Actually, it has enough trouble carrying itself over a distance.
Average flight time for a T5, about 40 minutes. The rest weren’t that much better.
The EE Lightning was no slouch….
Ken
I’ve seen a fair few examples of their performance during my time on them.
The most notable was an interception of two Bucc’s over Binbrook by an F3. They split up so that one of them could get away, he just followed one casually until he had enough film to confirm a kill. He then turned towards the other, I heard the reheat light and he was behind the other. It’s not hard to understand where some of the “ufo” sightings of the 60’s/70’s came from. I have never seen another a/c move that fast across the sky.
A couple my Victor bits. One is a compressor blade from XL232 after it’s demise on the runway. The other is the HP emblem fitted to the yolk