200 cm in diameter? Lovely…:D

I don’t think that SOC would believe it even if we post one. Then it would be PS… H177… Let us pass it…

Originally posted by SOC
“Pakistan is seeking beyond-visual-range missiles”

Is seeking implies hasn’t taken possession of.

“A top near-term priority is the acquisition of beyond-visual- range air-to-air missiles (BVRAAMS)”

Acuisition is a priority, that also implies that they haven’t been acquired.

And then there’s this one…

“The PAF intends to take up the US offer to upgrade the country’s existing F-l6s, the ACM says, with capabilities that would allow the service to add a BVRAAM as a top priority.”

SInce we have yet to upgrade their aircraft, which it appears are what the BVR platoform will be (other than the FC-1), then they can’t test the missile in Pakistan, can they?

And did you ever consider that when he said the program could be ready for operational use in less than a year, he meant the missile itself? That doesn’t mean Pakistan either-if they’re jointly developing it, then operational induction in “less than a year” could easily mean Chinese use.

It means not operational BVR and they look at all the options. That is not that hard to understand I hope.

Well… The supporters shows here their identity. Why else is one intrested in two missile projects on the other side of the moon. Intresting. About the missiles. The quality must be improved cause a few months ago they were almost scrappnig the project and now we see launching dates. Byut why is Barak selected?

SOC,
If the JF17 is the plane that is the first plane to be demonstrated with the SD10 and it is build in co-operation with Pakistan then your remarks are flawed. In contradiction to many AMRAAM users that have no idea how their missiles work the PAF is not that stupid. They know how the SD10 works and they have to integrate it with western avionics. Just by not seing any SD10’s in Pakistan doesn’t men they have none. As long as these missiles are not produced in Pakistan they will kept as a secret. But they will be part of the JF17 deal. So BVR are not BVR… That is not a question. When? That is the question.
Cheers.

Is it possible they used link and IR from the Darter?

As long as there are no pics with these weapons connected to PAF planes there is no pudding… I have seen many stories and a lot of them were totally fabrication. This story where the so called journalist writes about bombs, BVR and 100 km shows that it is not even worth mentioning.

Once a moron allways a moron.. Not even left that level after posting on this forum.

Originally posted by Magician
>>The French are known for their double dealing. The advantage for them is higher price and more offset. The French are the last party that can provide total systems cause most companies in Europe are either connected to US or UK. That means that they are a politcial instrument. The french are only intrested in cash. At time that Pakistan was boycotted only the mirages flew… The thing that PAF remembered was that even the plastic fuel tanks were more expensive then their price in goldweight. That is one of the problems why PAF is not desperate to go for Mirage 2000-5. India is more open to that. Whe else would they fly so many nice planes? Good for India and us plane enthousiats.

When will you understand that beggars can’t be choosers, asking for high tech fighters has become a full time job for Mushy,Jamali.
Whichever country they go to they beg for maintaining conventional balance with India. The whole of PAF would be ready to give a bj to Chirac the day he allows the sale of M2K5 to Pakistan.

>>But do end making India better in everything and Pakistan bad in everything. The truth is allways in between. Both nations are not far from eachother. India has more cash and ends up with luxarious weapons while the Pakistani has to wait for better times. Since better weapons get more expensive it means that they just think a bit more before ending up with high tech planes that have no spare parts. And the Pakistani have awful lot to improve. They just started with the Navy getting better subs. Then they will get ships. They are developing tanks now and hopeful will have a new plane. If not then they just have to do it with the fc1 or j10 which are not that bad either.

Again with this equal-equal crap. A country on brink of an economic collapse kept afloat on US AID,rescheduling of loans for which you have become their B**** in south asia.
You have been thinking since the 1990s and it is nearly 2004 now how much more time do you need? Tell me will you not accept a F-16 if it was offered to you now, so much for the spare parts argument. The sub contract was signed in ther early 90s, no new contract has been signed since then, on the other hand India has been expanding its navy at a fast pace for eg. P-15,P-15A,P-16,P-17,Kilo upgrades,Krivaks,Gorshkov,Scorpenes, ADS,Klub,Uran,Bhramos etc