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  • in reply to: Stupid Decisions & Pointless Aircraft #2628006
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    LCA? MCA? Just thought.

    in reply to: Pakistan News and Discussion thread #2628009
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    Belgian Air Force sells 31 F-16s on parts market

    Thursday, December 23, 2004 – The Belgian ministry of defence started the dismantlement of their 31 oldest F-16 Fighting Falcons. Since their retirement from service, these jets have been stored in Weelde, near Antwerp.

    The aircraft wil be sold on the replacement parts market.

    The oldest jets have been stored in Weelde for over ten years already. They will be transported to an armament depot in Rocourt, where they will be stripped down.

    The first of three batchs of F-16s has been transported in November already, the remaining two batches will follow in January and February.

    in reply to: Gripens doing well on the market #2628011
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    So they can enter 2 years of negotiations? The Indian targets of not buying boycottable planes is funny. I doubt they will ever buy F16 ot Gripen. I think it was just part of the strategy to stop Pakistan getting it. Just like the fact that they stopped BAF F16’s going to Pakistan. 🙂

    About PAF getting Gripen. Why should US allow Sweden to sell indirectly if they can earn a lot more selling direct to PAF? Maybe they will offer second hand block15 F16’s. For Pakistan to get another new plane (Fc1, Mirages, F7p/PG,Fantan, F5, K8, F16, etc etc) is less intresting if they can add one they are used to. And getting TOT? I don’t think so.

    in reply to: Merry Xmas #2628014
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    And a happy new year.

    in reply to: Pakistan News and Discussion thread #2628016
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    >>>1. PAF will be going for 4 hawkeyes along with 6 Erieyes.

    Old Pakdef news. So probably the Erieye for the PAF and Hawkey for PN. Usman Ali confirmed this a few months ago.

    >>>2. PAF is buying 60 some kits for F-16 MLU, 60 some MLY meaning they are buying around 28 used F-16s (for now)

    Are they upgrading in Pakistan? Probably the result of Rumsfeld to India. PAF is allowed to have less potent second hand block 15. An no advances weapons (JDAM/AMRAAM). Probably just enough to get the gap filled before the JF17 is good enough to replace it.

    >>>3. After this MLU request, more requets will be made for AMRAAM, and JDAM

    Highly doubt this news.

    >>>4. By the end of the year, new F-16s should be ordered.

    Well, the PAF pilots will fly those most modern UAE F16’s. They will even deliver engineers. If a few can be added then it is not a bad deal. But does that mean no F10/Rafale/Gripen? Or is it because they have not mor ebudget? I think buying above abd starting JF17 will cost a lot. You guys forgot to add that K8 production in Pakistan will be increased.

    >>>5. No aircraft aquistion from France, rather deals for avionics for JF-17 and system for the Al-Khalid tank, probably for the Saudi purchase.

    The Avionics deal for J17 (and maybe F10) is known since june 2004. PAF decided to go ahead for Chinese to avoid problems with SD10. Besides that it may be a boost for Chinese to get the same. The El Khaled part is since a few weeks. The El Khaled advanced version is on the table. And it might have been pushed cause KSA wants better electronics. It will mean increasnig capacity and more advanced electronics for Pakistani tanks. There is a very potent missile selected for EK.

    in reply to: China's news, pics and speculation part IV #2630636
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    With JH-7A around…I doubt there is any need for FC-1.

    Is there any news about the FC1?

    in reply to: Pakistan News and Discussion thread #2630645
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    BVR or no BVR. No need to make it a very important fact out of it. Soc and friends, if you guys are making the no-evidence of h2/h4 and important matter then we can same say about the SD10. It is there for decades. Tested. But still not in Pakistan. I think that it would be strange if Pakistan has no BVR weapons in development. Long time ago there was a test with Pakistani IR missile. I think that after decades of boycot the nation atleast tried to make something more. We don’t see missiles or ground ordnance hanging beneath Pakistani planes. Atleast not on pictures. They have a reason for that. Being smaller means hiding best options. One side effect is that some claiming that it has nothing and others claiming that it has everything. We have to wait till fc1 enters service. It is the first real BVR pakistani plane. But do remember there are several reports of ACM that Pakistani is busy with several BVR options at the same time. I doubt we all know more the he does. Copying and pasting reports of questionable journalist is not enough to enlighten most posters here.

    in reply to: Pakistan News and Discussion thread #2632162
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    If the PAF is investing so much in large numbers of FC-1s, why are they even still bothering to try and get F-16s?

    A very intresting question. I think it has to do with the fact that they cannot get 150 fc1’s tomorrow. The Fc1 is being tested. Next year they start with first batch. It will take atleas 4/5 years to get the desired size and quality. F16’s are seen as intermediate not end solution. The f16’s is the most easy to absorbed. They have infrastructure, engineers and pilots.

    in reply to: Pakistan News and Discussion thread #2633715
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    This is probably the follow up of Musharraf’s to France visit a few days ago. Very unclear about what they talked. Could be the old submarive deal or maybe avionics for J10, Jf17.

    Pak, France to boost defence production

    http://www.pakobserver.net/200412/1…opstories13.asp

    Pak Observer Report

    Islamabad—Pakistan and France Thursday expressed the desire to enhance collaboration in the field of defence production.

    The matter was discussed at a meeting between Federal Minister for Defence Production Habibullah Warraich and the visiting French delegation headed by General Jean Paul Panie, Director of International Relations Directorate of the Directorate General Armaments.

    They held discussion to review and further enhance cooperation in the field of Defence Production and issues of mutual interest.The Minister expressed full satisfaction over the ongoing cooperation between Pakistan and France but desired that it needed to be further cemented.

    The Minister also apprised the visiting dignitary about Pakistan’s ongoing efforts against the war on terror.

    He reaffirmed the Government’s resolve and commitment to eliminate this menace in the interest of Pakistan as well as the international community.

    General Jean Paul Panie deeply appreciated and acknowledged the role being played by Pakistan in this regard.

    Later the delegation held a detailed meeting with the officials of Ministry of Defence Production led by Air Marshal (R) Zahid Anis, Secretary Defence Production.

    After the opening remarks by both sides, a comprehensive discussion on the ongoing and foreseeable Defence projects was carried out.

    Both sides expressed complete satisfaction over the progress achieved in the field of defence collaboration. The Pakistani side informed the French delegation about its defence requirements.

    General Jean Paul Panie said France would favourably look into the defence requirements of Pakistan. The meeting pledged to continue such dialogue on regular basis so as to further enhance cooperation in the field on defence production.

    in reply to: Pakistan News and Discussion thread #2633941
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    Just a copy paste from Dawn. It is a difficult matter but somehow the writer is not a journalist without knowledge. Do not flame but take notice of this article.

    AIR MARSHAL (RETD) AYAZ AHMED KHAN
    Since fifteen years India has been engaged in a massive effort to sabotage the sale of F-16 fighters to Pakistan. Mr Pressler, an Indian lobbyist in the US Congress steered The Pressler Amendment came into effect in October 1989, and the US imposed a ban on the sale of F-16 fighters to Pakistan. By then Pakistan had paid US$ 658 towards the purchase of 110 F-16s.

    The US Department of Defence had clarified that with the paid amount Pakistan could buy 28 F-16 fighters, subject to the lifting of US sanctions imposed by the Pressler Amendment. It is astonishing and disappointing that while US sanctions have been lifted, Pakistan has been given the major Non-Nato Ally status; yet there is no sign of supply of F-16 fighters to Pakistan.

    One of the major reasons has been the subvertive role of the Indian embassy in Washington DC, whose hired lobbyists have successfully sabotaged Pakistani efforts to buy F-16 fighters from the US. That India has full time lobbyists, and has US Congressmen to sabotage sale of US weapons to Pakistan, especially F-16 fighters, provides evidence of a deep-rooted conspiracy and hostility to make Pakistan militarily week.

    During his meeting with US Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld on December 9, Indian Defence Minister Pranab Mukerjee while describing Indo-US relations “enduring”, and defence relationship ‘strong’, warned US against the sale of F-16 fighters, to Pakistan. He warned Washington of repercussions on the ongoing peace process. Same day Indian external Affairs Minister Natwar Singh warned in the Indian Parliament, that “the government of India will not hesitate, and will ensure that our defence preparedness is not compromised in any way”. He refused to elaborate when asked by media men to clarify his threat. Same day Indian Foreign Secretary Navtej Sarna adding fuel to the fire said, “These arms sales would impact on the positive sentiment and goodwill for the United States in India.”

    Donald Rumsfeld the US Secretary of Defence who met the Indian leaders on December 10, skirted the issue of the proposed sale of US arms to Pakistan, and kept mum over the sale of F-16 fighters. While Rumsfeld may have taken due notice of the black mailing tactics of the Congress government, but thought it advisable not to retort.

    That New Delhi is actively engaged in anti-PAF F-16 lobbying activities in Washington, fully surfaced in a front page report of “India Abroad” on November 19, 2004. Aziz Haniffa the editor reported from Washington DC that, “India dumps Akin Gump over sale of F-16s to Pakistan. The controversy over what senior Congressional sources have described as “the credible prospect” of the Bush Administration considering the sale of F-16 fighter aircraft to Pakistan continues to simmer with the Indian embassy not renewing the US$ 50000 a month contract of its lobbying firm Akin Gump over the F-16 issue.

    The firm was accused as was the embassy of being apathetic to the prospect of the F-16 sale, and making no attempt to kill the move. Congressional sources eight (Indian spies and lobbyists in the US Congress) told India Abroad, “We still cannot get a straight answer from the Administration whether the F-16 sale is on or off. State Department officials and those at the Pentagon continue to be circumspect. Telling us, ‘no decision has been made”. The Indian embassy had been bombarded these past few weeks with letters and emails from the Indian-American community all saying that if the lobbying group cannot, then they would work aggressively to nip the F-16 sale in the bud.

    Indian government should not waste money on ineffective American lobbying firms. The Indian-American community in the US has decided to take up the F-16 issue with the Bush Administration and with the US Congress. Pakistani American community in the US should take serious note of it, and do something to counter it. It is worrying that Indian lobbyists in the House i.e. US Congress and even in The White House have been subverting administration’s plans to sell F-16s and other weapons to Pakistan. Indian embassy officials in Washington DC have acknowledged that former US ambassador to India Robert Blackwill’s departure from the White House National Security Council as a Special Assistant to President Bush “was indeed a great loss for India”.

    India had counted on him “as one of those loyals who would have vehemently advised Bush against any such sale of sophisticated weapons, especially F-16s to Pakistan. This is contrary to diplomatic norms and etiquette. The State Department and CIA should find out how New Delhi bribed him into such a role? US Representative Joseph Crowley N.Y.

    Democrat and the co-chairman of the Congressional Caucus on India and Indian Americans, wrote a letter to President Bush last month seeking, clarity regarding the sale of F-16s to Pakistan. Crowley mischievously wrote, “These military aircraft are not suitable for fighting the war against terrorism within Pakistan!” Despite the torrent of protests by Indian lobbyists, and hysteria in New Delhi to block and scuttle sale of F-16 fighters and other weapons to Pakistan, Congressman Joseph Crowley the top Indian lobbyist says that, “The Bush Administration may very well push for the sale of F-16s to Pakistan shortly. The administration has not denied the potential for such a sale but kept repeating that “no decision has been made, even as it acknowledges that the issue is on the table”.

    Crowley added that, “In as much as the State Department had designated Pakistan a major Non-Nato Ally, it could easily blindside both India and Congress and announce that such a sale is in the works”. Janes Defence Weekly in its last issue reports that,” Pakistani officials are negotiating the sale of new F-16 fighters to the Pakistan Air Force. This follows Bush administration’s notification to the US Congress on November 15, 2004 to its plans to sell $1.2 billion worth of sophisticated weapons for the use of Pakistan Navy and Pakistan Army.

    Reportedly President Musharraf in his meeting with President Bush discussed the potential purchase of F-16s. Pakistan wants to by up to 25 F-16s, with the price tag of $25 million each. India has cautioned, warned and threatened the Bush administration not to sell F-16s or other weapons to Pakistan. And if America does not listen to India and sells F-16s to Pakistan, it better be ready to face Indian anger.
    In his two-hour meeting in Paris President Musharraf discussed with President Jacques Chirac access to European free market and purchase of French aircraft, avionics, electronic warfare and collaboration in defence with France. Musharraf’s successful visits to Washington and Paris are bound to bear fruit. Inshallah PAF will have new F-16’s as well as latest French fighters.

    http://www.nation.com.pk/daily/dec-2004/16/columns4.php

    in reply to: Does Europe has the capability to make a stealth AC #2673214
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    Germany had a stealth plane. I saw a few pics of it in a hangar. Looked a bit like F117. Wasn’t a production. Don’t know why.

    in reply to: Rumor Mill of The Day: JH-7 for Argintina??? #2673217
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    I think it isn’t the reality. Why JH-7? It would be something if it was FC1 but even then it would be a paparazzi article…

    in reply to: IAF news and pics Thread : Oct 2004 + #2673220
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    Since it is aviation I do not see reason for discussing MBT2000. But the Brahmos was joint venture for sure cause I think it has to do something with prolifration. Hope someone can shed a light on that.

    in reply to: Fc-1 has US technology – a claim #2673225
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    The latest article we will hear is probably the LCA and Fc1 have same components. Oops. The martin baker… But Engines? Rusians and US engine have very different parameters. Just like tanks. Since when are Russians building durable engines?

    in reply to: China's news, pics and speculation thread part 3 #2673235
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    Does the A5 have a radar? Or is there any planned? The nose looks terrible.

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