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  • in reply to: Pakistan: Plane carrying 4 helicopters arrives from RUSSIA! #2653601
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    >>>so if your PAF pilots are logging only 70hrs annually on their F16s then they cant be expected to be good on the F16 even if they log a higher number of hrs on other types.

    So flying more type of planes is very bad… Poor test pilots… They are doing a very bad job…

    in reply to: Middle Eastern Nukes #2653605
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    And the biggest supporters of peace have either been occupiers or have erased the natives (aboriginals and Indians). Well sofar being the example and pointing at others for being wrong…

    in reply to: Middle Eastern Nukes #2653607
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    US anthrax attacks linked to army biological weapons plant
    By Patrick Martin
    28 December 2001
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    The anthrax spores enclosed in envelopes mailed to two leading Senate Democrats in October are biologically identical to bacteria secretly manufactured at a US germ warfare facility during the last decade, according to press reports and an analysis by a leading microbiologist.

    The army biological and chemical warfare unit at the Dugway Proving Ground, about 80 miles southwest of Salt Lake City, Utah, may well be the source of the weapons-grade anthrax sent to Senators Tom Daschle and Patrick Leahy. Scientists at Dugway grew and processed spores deriving from the Ames strain—the strain that appeared in all the letters sent to media outlets and Congress.

    The spores had been carefully milled to produce the size most effective in spreading the deadly bacteria, between one and three microns.

    The existence of the secret army program was first revealed by the Baltimore Sun in an article published December 12. Until then, US officials, including those investigating the anthrax attacks, had maintained that the American military stopped producing germ warfare materials in the late 1960s, before the signing of an international treaty banning the development of such weapons.

    Pentagon spokesmen now claim that the development of weapons-grade anthrax was legal under the treaty because the production of small quantities is permitted for “peaceful and protective” purposes, i.e., to prepare countermeasures to a germ warfare attack. The United States is the only country that is known to have produced weapons-grade anthrax in the past 25 years.

    While the Dugway facility produced the dried anthrax spores, they were sometimes sent to another germ warfare unit at Fort Detrick, near Frederick, Maryland, only 30 miles from Washington, DC. Fort Detrick has equipment for killing bacteria with radiation, and received shipments of the anthrax to be sterilized so it would be safer to work on. The most recent shipment from Dugway to Fort Detrick was last June 27, the Sun reported. The spores were returned to Dugway on September 4, one week before the terrorist attacks in New York City and Washington, and four weeks before the first anthrax cases were detected in south Florida.

    Spores were also sent in 1997 to the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology in Washington, according to a spokesman for that agency.

    Even before the Sun’s report confirmed that the Dugway lab had recently produced weapons-grade anthrax, a leading specialist on the subject had concluded that a US government facility was the most likely source of the anthrax used in the recent mailings. In an analysis released December 10 by the Federation of American Scientists’ Working Group on Biological Weapons, Barbara Hatch Rosenberg declared, “The anthrax in the letters was probably made and weaponized in a US government or contractor lab. It might have been made recently by the perpetrator on his own, or made as part of the US biodefense program; or it may be a remnant of the US biological weapons program before Nixon terminated the program in 1969.”

    Another expert in the field, Richard Spertzel, a former army colonel who directed the UN biological weapons inspection team in Iraq, also rejected the notion that a disaffected individual like the Unabomber could have produced the anthrax letters. In testimony to the House Committee on International Relations December 5, Spertzel declared, “The quality of the product contained in the letter to Senator Daschle was better than that found in the Soviet, US or Iraqi program, certainly in terms of the purity and concentration of spore particles.”

    In response to the Baltimore Sun article, a spokesman for the Dugway Proving Ground confirmed that the facility had produced dry anthrax powder similar to that found in the Daschle and Leahy letters, but claimed that it was “well protected” and entirely accounted for. The statement was the first admission by the US government that it has produced useable germ warfare material since the program for offensive biological weapons was terminated in 1969 by the Nixon administration.

    Barbara Hatch Rosenberg said, “This is very significant. There’s never been an acknowledgement that any US facility had weaponized anthrax. The question is, could someone have gotten hold of a very small amount and used it in the letters?”

    According to the Washington Post, the FBI is investigating a possible connection between the anthrax attacks and Dugway, and has questioned lab personnel. Fort Detrick is also a possible source, and the US Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID) is the principal source of the Ames strain of anthrax, supplying it not only to a handful medical researchers in the US, but to germ warfare research facilities in Canada and Great Britain as well.

    The Post reported November 30, “Since the mid-1980s, the US Army laboratory that is the main custodian of the virulent strain of anthrax used in the recent terrorist attacks distributed the bacteria to just five labs in the United States, Canada and England, according to government documents and interviews.”

    The most recent transfers took place only a few months before this autumn’s anthrax attacks—the Ames strain was sent in March to the University of New Mexico Health Sciences Center in Albuquerque, and in May to the Battelle Memorial Institute in Columbus, Ohio, a private company involved in anthrax vaccine research.

    According to a report in the New York Times, federal investigators have concluded that the anthrax spores in the Daschle and Leahy letters could only have been produced in a government weapons laboratory, probably one run by the American government. The anthrax in these letters contained as many as one trillion spores per gram, a concentration sufficient to cause the death of half the American population if widely distributed.

    The Times observed, citing an unnamed federal science adviser, that the quality of the anthrax “lends credence to the idea that someone with links to military laboratories or their contractors might be behind the attacks.” The scientist told the Times, “It’s frightening to think that one of our own scientists could have done something like this. But it’s definitely possible.”

    The revelations about the production of weapons-grade anthrax at Dugway and the distribution of the Ames strain from Fort Detrick have aroused concerns among the relatively small group of scientists familiar with the most up-to-date research in the field. Several expressed surprise, in comments to the press, about the ongoing germ warfare program. Barbara Hatch Rosenberg categorically declared that the Dugway activities were a violation of international treaty obligations in relation to germ warfare.

    The Washington Post, in a front-page report December 16, cited these experts as concluding: “Genetic fingerprinting studies indicate that the anthrax spores mailed to Capitol Hill are identical to stocks of the deadly bacteria maintained by the US Army since 1980.” At least one of the scientists told the Post that “the original source” of the anthrax in the Daschle and Leahy letters “had to have been USAMRIID,” i.e., Fort Detrick.

    The Post added: “The FBI’s investigation into the anthrax attacks is increasingly focusing on whether US government bioweapons research programs, including one conducted by the CIA, may have been the source of deadly anthrax powder sent through the mail, according to sources with knowledge of the probe. The results of the genetic tests strengthen that possibility. The FBI is focusing on a contractor that worked with the CIA, one source said.”

    The genetic fingerprinting finding was made by a research team led by geneticist Paul Keim at Northern Arizona University in Flagstaff, the newspaper said, adding that the FBI had begun interviewing CIA officials responsible for the CIA’s own germ warfare program, which made use of the Ames strain.

    The Post added that both profit and politics were being considered as possible factors in the anthrax letters: “Investigators are considering a wide range of possible motives for the anthrax attacks, including vengeance of some sort, profiteering by someone involved in the anthrax cleanup business, or perhaps an effort by someone to cast blame on Iraq…”

    While this new direction in the investigation is well known in official Washington, neither the Bush administration nor the major television networks have focused any public attention on the growing likelihood that a section of the state apparatus itself, with close links to far-right elements, is the probable source of the anthrax attacks.

    in reply to: Middle Eastern Nukes #2653609
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    just a google… First hit..

    What The New York Times Left Out
    [US sent biological weapons to Iraq in 1980s]
    by William Blum
    ZNet Commentary, August 20, 2002

    It was page one of the New York Times Sunday (August 18), picked up extensively by the international media, a featured story on America On Line. “Officers Say U.S. Aided Iraq in War Despite Use of Gas”, shouted the headline. Senior military officers revealed that the Reagan administration had provided Iraq with critical battle planning assistance in waging decisive battles of the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s.
    The assistance was given at a time when American intelligence agencies knew that Iraq had already employed chemical weapons and would likely continue to do so. This of course raises obvious questions about the current Bush administration’s near-frenzied demonization of Saddam Hussein, particularly for his alleged chemical and biological weapons (CBW) threat.
    Readers can be forgiven if they think this is a revelation of some sort. It isn’t. The story may add a new detail or two about the precise nature of US tactical assistance to the Iraqis, but the basic story has long been known. Strangely, the Times story leaves out the most significant part — the furnishing of chemical and biological materials by the United States to Iraq which markedly enhanced Iraq’s CBW capability.
    (There is one isolated line in the Times piece, almost at the very end, hinting at something of the sort: “Former Secretary of State Shultz and Vice President Bush tried to stanch the flow of chemical precursors to Iraq.”)
    At the risk of sounding like I’m blowing my own horn, I must point out that I wrote a story on this very subject in 1998, which was published in several “alternative” magazines, distributed widely on the Internet to this day, and won a Project Censored award in 1999. As far as I know, the American mainstream media has never covered this story, and if the Times article is any guide, the censorship will continue.
    Following is the crux of my article as published in 1998:
    In his recent State of the Union address, President Clinton, in the context of Iraq, spoke of how we must “confront the new hazards of chemical and biological weapons, and the outlaw states, terrorists and organized criminals seeking to acquire them.” He castigated Saddam Hussein for “developing nuclear, chemical and biological weapons” and called for strengthening the Biological Weapons Convention. Who among his listeners knew, who among the media reported, that the United States had been the supplier to Iraq of much of the source biological materials Saddam’s scientists would require to create a biological warfare program?
    According to a Senate Committee Report of 1994 {1}: From 1985, if not earlier, through 1989, a veritable witch’s brew of biological materials were exported to Iraq by private American suppliers pursuant to application and licensing by the U.S. Department of Commerce. Amongst these materials, which often produce slow, agonizing deaths, were:
    Bacillus Anthracis, cause of anthrax.
    Clostridium Botulinum, a source of botulinum toxin.
    Histoplasma Capsulatam, cause of a disease attacking lungs, brain, spinal cord and heart.
    Brucella Melitensis, a bacteria that can damage major organs.
    Clotsridium Perfringens, a highly toxic bacteria causing systemic illness.
    Clostridium tetani, highly toxigenic.
    Also, Escherichia Coli (E.Coli); genetic materials; human and bacterial DNA.
    Dozens of other pathogenic biological agents were shipped to Iraq during the 1980s. The Senate Report pointed out: “These biological materials were not attenuated or weakened and were capable of reproduction.” {2}
    “It was later learned,” the committee revealed, “that these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the United Nations inspectors found and removed from the Iraqi biological warfare program.”{3}
    These exports continued to at least November 28, 1989 despite the fact that Iraq had been reported to be engaging in chemical warfare and possibly biological warfare against Iranians, Kurds, and Shiites since the early 80s.
    NOTES
    {1} “U.S. Chemical and Biological Warfare-Related Dual Use Exports to Iraq and their Possible Impact on the Health Consequences of the Persian Gulf War,” Senate Committee on Banking, Housing and Urban Affairs with Respect to Export Administration, reports of May 25, 1994 and October 7, 1994.
    {2} Ibid., May 25 report, pp. 36-47 {3} Ibid., October 7 report, p. 3

    in reply to: Middle Eastern Nukes #2653612
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    Agent orange… Chemical…

    Nukes on heroshima… nuclear…

    Viatnam, Korea, Irac and some other latin american nations… Conventional…

    And guess who has the largest piles of biological weapons…?

    in reply to: Middle Eastern Nukes #2653696
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    If Iran is marked as an terrorist nation then explain me why US has used nukes, chemical and biochemical weapons on much larger scale and is seen as an example for western nations? It has invaded many nations and abused human rights. I agree that nukes or WMD are bad but lecturing that other actions are wrong sound rather one sided. Sorry. Irac was invaded to save Iracis for bad boy Sadam that was never armed and suppotred by the US… Sure.

    in reply to: LCA vs FC-1 #2653710
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    Man besharmaji is one of the … on earth. I feel sorry for this guy. If I am here to tell you that there is no proof cause one is still in development…
    Man. Inferiority complex. Years of BR propaganda.

    in reply to: Middle Eastern Nukes #2653716
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    When it comes to nukes there are two views. Nuking islamic countries is all fine while bombing conventional way western countries means different. Same goes for having nukes. Israel may have everything while we know how is it acting but other nations are forced openly and humiliated by nations that use their atomic power to rule them…

    in reply to: The Royal Saudi Air Force #2654909
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    me to.:)

    in reply to: LCA vs FC-1 #2654910
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    Those empty remarks are just there to flame. This is a cure compared to a visit of BR forum.

    in reply to: For Sabre ace – Ind-Pak thread #2655020
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    😀 It is a funny world. I just love latest developments that Idnia and Pakistan are warming up…

    in reply to: The Royal Saudi Air Force #2655025
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    Relax guys. How much you try. India is not a superpower. Just get over it. China is a superpower.

    in reply to: LCA vs FC-1 #2655037
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    The jobs are faster to India? Just read that most nations run back cause Indian accent is not correct and they do not understand western values. But let us not talk about non aviation topics here. It is about two planes. But some can whine around.

    in reply to: The Royal Saudi Air Force #2655044
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    But there are more BR kids on the block… SOC no Pakistani told you that Paksitan is superior. But India will not be able to something more then putting million soldiers on the border. It is your inferiority complex.

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    hush hush back to BR and stop flaming on PAkistani topics…

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