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  • in reply to: Burma Expedition News. #855065
    Andy Brockman
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    INTELLIGENCE REPORT INDICATING POSSIBLE UNDERGROUND WORKS AT MINGALADON

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    Dear All,

    I don’t propose to rehash all the arguments regarding the legend of Mingaladon. However, as the story has now resurfaced I do think it is worth putting this document into perspective.

    First it is not new. I have been aware of it since beginning work on the project in 2012 when it was presented to the research team as part of David Cundall’s original compilation of evidence. That is the document we refer to as the David Cundall Dossier in the technical report.

    Indeed, as I am sure Mark 12 will confirm, the complete sentence without redaction reads:

    “It is reported that underground hangers are under construction 4950 feet SSW. of the intersection of runways No2 and No3.”

    Second, the suggestion of underground works being constructed by the Japanese at Mingaladon is not unusual. The allied photo interpreters refer to such works on an number of occasions, for example, Air 23/3869 contains another intelligence appraisal which refers to unidentified “underground working” and “truck activity” at a location on Mingaladon.

    Of course, these documents represent the PI’s best interpretation of what they are seeing, not what is actually there on the ground. Subsequent to the Allied occupation of Mingaladon there is no reference in any of the copious amount of documentation to any substantial underground works being located. Neither are there any substantiated reports of any such structures being found during the extensive reconstructions of the airport which have taken place in the past seventy years.

    Clearly buried structures did exist, and may still exist, on Mingaladon. At least one such structure was destroyed in one of Mr Cundall’s previous excavations. However, there is no evidence for anything of the scale required to house aircraft.

    So, for now it is a case of “Move along please, nothing to see here.”

    But of course, the team and I are always ready to look at any genuinely new evidence if it does emerge.

    Best wishes

    Andy B

    Andy Brockman
    Participant

    The point is no-one, even an interested, independent, drop in found it on Google, researcher can re-read the thread because it has been taken down.

    Meanwhile, some of the most personal comments have been directed at myself and the motives and competence of the 2013 Archaeological team and in spite of that we are not asking for the thread to be suppressed. We trust readers and forum users to read the evidence and make up their own minds, fully aware that as we predicted, some people will never agree with our view.

    In that context the current “news” is principally about about our report and thoughts and ideas flowing from it and that discussion has been cut off. While as a team we might also have points to make in future relating to comments and suggestions made and we are being denied the chance to table those thoughts and suggestions to the people who have been most engaged with this matter since the story first broke.

    This is not how such discussions are meant to be conducted.

    Voltaire got it right.

    Andy B

    in reply to: Burma Expedition News. #913704
    Andy Brockman
    Participant

    Burma Spitfires Report

    Dear Forum Members

    Anyone who follow the news will be aware that it is something of a fashion at the moment for much anticipated reports to be delayed.

    In keeping with that unfortunate fashion I must apologise to everyone who is waiting for the Technical Report on the expedition to investigate the suggestion that Spitfire Aircraft were buried by the Royal Air Force at RAF Mingaladon in 1945-1946 and confirm there is to be a short delay before the publication of the final technical report into the 2013 expedition.

    This is due to proofing and production reasons and will not delay the final publication unduly and I am confident you will see our report well before Sir John Chilcot’s report into the Iraq War.

    I will of course let the forum know the minute the document is released.

    in reply to: Burma Expedition News. #860672
    Andy Brockman
    Participant

    YANGON 2013 REPORT

    Dear Forum Members,

    This is to confirm that the technical report into the January 2013 fieldwork and related research will be published at the begining of February

    STARTS

    The 2013 Burma Spitfires Project Research Team is pleased to announce that the technical report into the 2013 Excavations at Yangon International Airport will be made available worldwide from Monday 2 February 2015.

    The attempts to find buried Spitfires at Yangon International Airport, led by Lincolnshire farmer David Cundall and funded by international computer gaming company Wargaming.net, enthralled the World’s media and millions of aviation and military enthusiasts worldwide in 2012-2013. Now for the first time, that audience will be able to make up their own minds as to why no Spitfires were found in the 2013 excavations as the evidence for the buried Spitfires story, both for and against, is published in full and analysed in detail by the Burma Spitfires Project’s team of independent experts.

    The report will contain detailed accounts of the 2013 geophysical fieldwork and the excavations on sites where Mr David Cundall believes Spitfire aircraft were buried in 1945-1946, as well as an account of previously unpublished excavations on the site.

    The various excavations at Yangon International Airport will also be described in the context of the original detailed research the team undertook in documentary, photographic and oral history archives in the UK, the USA and Australia in an attempt to establish, beyond reasonable doubt, the reality which lies behind the legend.

    The Report authors will also examine the importance of the “Buried Spitfires” story in the context of understanding the growing mythology of World War Two and the psychology and frailties of witness evidence as gathered in oral histories.

    The success of the Burma Spitfires Project Team in successfully ground truthing the legend of the Buried Burma Spitfires demonstrates the value of applying rigorous and impartial field and archival research and good science to question the reality behind even the most high profile and appealing of wartime stories. Thus this report will be an important contribution to the growing body of academic and popular literature relating to the Archaeology of Modern Conflict Given this importance, and to ensure the report is both widely available and affordable the fully illustrated report will be published as an e-book and any profits from the sale of the report will be donated to the Royal British Legion.

    Full details of the report and information as to how you can obtain your copy will be released as the publication date approaches.

    ENDS

    I would like to take this chance to wish all forum members happy landings and a safe and prosperous 2015.

    Andy Brockman
    pp The 2013 Burma Spitfires Research Team

    in reply to: Lancaster Easy Elsie project #889598
    Andy Brockman
    Participant

    A fair point Peter, but a photograph taken of the crash site immediately after the crash and before the engines and other equipment was salvaged by the Svenska Flygvapnet shows the mid upper to be missing.

    It is known that for these long range operations the mid upper was sacrificed to save weight. This is consistant with photographs of the 617 Lancasters which force landed in Russia a few weeks earlier where the mid upper is also missing and the location skinned over. Therefore on balance it is most likely to be a field mod for the operation. It is also the case that elements of the training and elevating mechanism which were more difficult to remove, but did not weigh as much or have the same drag effect as the rest of the turret including the weapons, were left in situ. The engineers simply removed the guns and chopped off the elements of the turret which were proud of the fuselage. Not pretty, but it worked.

    Even so there was something like a two ton overload for aircraft on Operations Obviate and Chatechism carrying a full load of fuel plus auxilliary tanks and a Tallboy.

    Andy B

    in reply to: Lancaster Easy Elsie project #889751
    Andy Brockman
    Participant

    Easy Elsie at Porjus

    Hello Everyone,

    As part of the shoot for “What the Dambusters did next,” I carried out a survey of the current state of the wreck of “Easy Elsie” outside Porjus, Sweden. You saw a very small part of what we filmed in the resulting documentary.

    I can confirm that the mid-upper turret had been very crudely removed in what looks like a field modification to allow the turret to be skined over to resolve the immediate problem of saving weight for long range missions such as the attacks on Tirpitz. This is consistant with the series of modifications made to the Lancasters for the Tirpitz Operations which also included scrounging Merlin 24 engines from across 5 Group and fitting additional fuel tanks taken from other aircraft types. I am in the process of writing up the survey and other material the producers were not able to include in the documentary and I hope it will be available in print form later this year.

    Visiting “Easy Elsie” is a powerful and moving experience in a remote and very beautiful part of the world. It is not an environmental hazard and the aircraft is in as stable and secure a situation as any remote aircraft crash site. As a result, and having seen how well the site is displayed by the local community, as well as having benefited from the excellent work done by the Porjus Arkiv Committee and other Swedish researchers in recording the story of Bill Carey and his crew, I feel the aircraft would lose all resonance and meaning if it were to be removed to Britain. The story of the aircraft and the crew is now a shared one and it would be inappropriate to try to renationalise it, which is what removing the aircraft to the UK would in effect be.

    A simple question to focus this. Bill Carey was Australian as were a number of members of 617 Squadron. Because of his skills [and a dollop of luck] the crew of “Easy Elsie” was able to walk away from the wreck which leads me to ask should she, for example, go to the Australian War Memorial because it was the crew management skills and airmanship of an Australian, which put her down safely on the bog in Porjus in the first place?

    As to the 617 Squadron connection, it is important to remember “Easy Elsie” was not lost on the Dams raid and the crew did not fly on the Dams raid. She is simply an aircraft which flew with 617 Squadron.

    Neither is she one of the Dams BIII [Specials]. Her adaptations were for a different reason. To remove her from a Swedish resting place because of any sense of connection with the 617 of the Dams raid is to do the crews who flew Operation Obviate and the other Tirpitz raids, including the equally skilled, but much less well known, 9 Squadron, a disservice.

    I pose you this scenario.

    “Easy Elsie” is recovered from Northern Sweden and conserved and displayed at great expense as a 617 Memorial. Then suppose David Maltby’s Lancaster lost on Operation Garlic is located in the North Sea, something which given the advances in remote sensing underwater is distinctly possible. Does that trump “Esie Elsie” as a 617 Squadron memorial because Maltby flew on the Dams raid? Suppose Maltby’s aircraft is indeed then recovered and conserved at great expense- it could be done and then AJ-A, Sqd Ldr Young’s aircraft lost on the return from the actual Dams raid is located; an aircraft which actually flew on the Dams raid and dropped an Upkeep? Short of locating some of the remains of G George, Gibson’s own aircraft, isn’t that as close as we can get to the foundation myth of 617 Squadron, the Dambusters and all that means for British culture?

    Then someone sees a Sterling on the multibeam sonar; not so immediately resonant with the public, but in the historic aviation world…

    I would argue that a much more effective, progressive and achievable strategy would be to work with the Swedes and others to promote such sites as historical assets and memorials and to work with Law Enforcement to put in place protection plans and ensure that anyone cought stealing, trafficking, selling or in possession of illegally obtained aircraft parts is prosecuted. Something which is beginning to happen in the UK with the increased targeting of metal detectoists who steal from scheduled and protected sites and the monitoring of collector and dealer networks.

    To end on a slightly tongue in cheek note- remember the line given to Jeff Goldblum in “Jurassic Park”.

    “Just because we can doesn’t mean that we should.”

    It is as true of major heritage projects as it is of recreating dinosaurs and thankfully Lancaster’s are not extinct.

    Best wishes

    Andy Brockman

    in reply to: Man defends war grave. #892939
    Andy Brockman
    Participant

    THE EXCAVATION OF AIRCRAFT AS PART OF THE PLANNING PROCESS

    Hello Everyone,

    I am offering this comment as a neutral conflict archaeologist’s perspective on this issue. I hope it might help the discussion, particularly as this kind of issue is likely to become more common given the increase in development applications for rural areas [and please note I am not taking sides on the windfarms debate!].

    This is primarily a planning issue and the site will come under both local planning policy and the National Planning Policy Framework [NPPC] which has provision for both recognised and unrecognised heritage sites. Obviously the other key piece of legislation involved is the Protection of Military Remains Act, although it should be remembered the exhumation of all human remains of whatever age is controlled by legislation.

    http://www.justice.gov.uk/downloads/burials-and-coroners/exhuming-human-remains-faq.pdf

    This site will require an Environmental Impact Assessment [EIA] which will include a desk top study of potential archaeology. This should in turn throw up the likelihood of a crashed aircraft and human remains covered under the Protection of Military Remains Act being present on the site.

    It is then a case of implimenting a well practiced process of negotiation, decision and mitigation involving the local authority, the developer and other interested parties.

    It is likely that a non-intrusive Geophysical Survey of the entire site would be requested to assess any buried archaeology [in which Lincolnshire is rich], including any impact crater and surviving debris related to ND639. The County Archaeologist will also almost certainly also liaise with JCCC as the MoD branch responsible for historic casualties to acertain their view. Where aircrew of other nationalities are present, as they are here, it would also be customary and correct to seek the views of their Governments. It is well known that different nations take differing views as to how to treat their unidentified MIA’s.

    On the basis of that assessment the Local Authority Planning Ctte will be offered recommendations which might range from rejecting the application, through varying the application, for example by moving the pylons/services to miss the crash site, to allowing the application.

    As part of this process archaeological conditions may be attached, for example requiring excavation within the footprint of the pylons and services, or even an open area excavation to assess the archaeoloigy across the site. Certainly the possible presence of the aircraft with human remains which are protected by legislation will be a material consideration to the planners.

    There is nothing in this which contradicts MoD Policy. The MoD in the form of JCCC may recommend preservation in situ, but if the planners deem there is an overwhelming public interest in the development going ahead the proper protocols exist for the archaeological excavation of the aircraft under JCCC Licence and the forensic archaeological exhumation of any human remains.

    It is not so well known that in addion to the strictly controlled exhyumation of human remains by archaeologists under a Justice Department Licence, thousands of sets of human remains are moved to facilitate developments, sometimes by commercial exhumation companies, The cemetery at Kings Cross/St Pancras moved for the HS1 Channel Tunnel Link is a case in point. A good overview of this subject is found in Duncan Sayers’ book “Ethics and Burial Archaeology.”

    With the development in forensics and archaeoloigcal techniques we are better placed than ever to excavate such sites with the sensitivity the missing and their families are entitled too, but only if it proves necessary. No archaeologist would recommend the deliberate excavation of a site where it is likely or known that human remains are present without an overriding reason. In UK Practice those are,

    1. A fully funded, properly constituted Research Project [like the Richard III Project].

    2. An immediate threat to the security of the site [for example a major national or regional infrastructure project].

    This might seem complicated but it works reasonably well and is much better than a development free for all. Future problems my lie in the current Government’s weakening of planning controls in its drive for building. This, coupled with the cuts in local authority archaeology provision make it more difficult to see a measured solution which does not involved JCB’s big yellow trowels being let loose regardless.

    In this case, if anyone does have concerns, the most positive way forward would be for concerned individuals to contact the County Archaeologist in Lincolnshire and flag up the issue to ensure it is dealt with as part of the process. However, if you look at the original article in the Scunthorpe Telegraph all seems to be proceding as it should in this case-

    http://www.scunthorpetelegraph.co.uk/don-t-want-wind-farm-war-graves/story-21004029-detail/story.html

    No Drama…but a useful opportunity to discuss the issues this story raises for all of us involved in the archaology of aviation.

    Best wishes

    Andy B

    in reply to: Moggy injured in flying accident 31/3/14 #935684
    Andy Brockman
    Participant

    The good landings you walk away from…
    Wishing you a swift return to the smell of hot oil and the sound of engines [if you get my drift]

    All good wishes

    Andy B

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