Russia succesfully exported a number of systems including Su-27. Additionally, there are more prototypes those state of development can only be speculated. Russia has other fields in which it has remarkable technology, unfortunately mostly military.
China in the contrast has until now only exported the J-7. Designs like the J-8 could not win any foreign customers. The FC-1 is still in development and the J-10 is object of speculation.
I admit Russia has other areas of achievement but I believe,avonic is a area which needs continuous R&D,fund and upgrade require which Russia ill-afford to and start to lack behind.
J-8 is a fighter that is suitable for domestic doctrine and will hardly appease foreign customer! Not securing a deal is not a big surprise,consider nowdays demand ,multi-role and dog-fight!
I think Russian has reach a point which it can’t offer much for its customer,seeing how stagnant Russian military deal will tell u the answer(In aviation,compare to 3-4yrs ago)! Most of yr so-call successful deal of Russian were based on 3-4yrs ago..
From the safe point of view there is little to expect from China. None of their more advanced programs achieved a state of amturity yet that might give any conclusions about the potential of the industry. Although so many people write about it the information available is very poor and often influenced by cheerish newsfeeders. Where there are no facts, speculation and basic judgement step in.
true,Hope time will tell 🙂
China cannot produce a competitive fighter aircraft at the moment without extensive help from Russia/Europe/USA.
U r correct but I believe this will change very soon. Avonics is a good example.None of the Chinese made modern fighter fitted with Russia radar,the engine will follow soon in 1-2yrs time! The fact,from PLAAF AEW to modern chinese fighter having none of their avionics deal won over for the PLAAF and PLAN offer some true abt the decline of Russia advantage in avionics…
well you can buy a good mig 21 bis for 100 grand US and i heard you can get the Bison upgrade for 1million its better then 5.8million US dollars.
Why r they not doing that??? Sounds a very fair business and logical in money terms?? 😀
With all due respects to the maturing Chinese industry.. I would still say that it’s behind the Russians even in the avionics field..
Base on what? 10yrs outdated news or info ???
well those jets look like to me a bit old there mig 21 lancer and mig 21 bis costs 50000 dollars or a bit more and the upgrade isnt that expenisve would that be cheaper.
Bison and Lancer belongs to MF version! If they want,they need to buy,not upgrade! I don think Lancer is cheap,they r some news claiming Romania is making a mistake to go for Lancer with the high cost of upgrading!
Wonder why the J-8 and its several variants have never been exported :confused:
May I know what is yr purpose for trying to ask some questions? :confused:
I think this question is quite irrelevant in the export thread.Maybe u can open another discussing one abt this question!
I did got through ALL of it and could you PLEASE TELL US how how a thread about J-11B (which is not exported) has anything to do with user feedback of chinese exports?? Also the thread that you ve linked meanders a bit into Russian a/c quality and compares that with domestic chinese production of lic mfg kits.
Nothing to do with Chinese exports. Unless I missed something which I am sure you will be MORE than delighted to SPECIFICALLY POINT TO in the link you posted.
U indeed miss alot and u r a lazy fella…(don even bother to read thru it). No point trying to enlighten u!
Ok..I will make somebody job easier by posting some thread which has discuss before of Chinese aircraft product quality…
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/showthread.php?t=48249&page=1&pp=30
Pls go thru all of it !
Umm WHY DO OUR PLANES fall out of the sky? Care to venture an explanation. Or rather care to venture an explantion that is better than the constitutionally appointed watchdog agency of a democratic country. I am sorry I know terms like “constitution” and “watch dog” dont really ring a bell with commie dicts. But hey someday you gotta learn right?
I would really like to see some unbiased references to both “poor quality” and “drastically improved” bits too.
How I am the drone? Am I the one conforming to authority…blindly following whats stated by the politbureau and other commie dicts.? I definately dont want to close this this thread PROVIDED someone here gives us ENOUGH reasons to keep this chinese export worship thread open.
This thread is definately worth keeping IF:
1) we can discuss export product quality
2) why its high/low and what can be done to improve it or maintain itIf not…I agree with the admin this thread is definately a waste of bandwith and is just a space to inline images of mediocre soviet knockoffs like AN-12 and Mig-19/21. So this is your chance to redeem yourself.
The quality of Chinese aircraft has has been discuss before…We don want to repeat again,pls do a search yrself!
Nice picture, Star49!
We finally get to see the new leading edge root extension that we saw in the model.
Exciting times! 🙂
I want to see DSI of the real FC-1 04 prototype….If able to see it,will prove the technology advance of this aircraft…
The Iranian airliner was 3+ nautical miles outside of an assigned 10 nautical mile flight corridor, and it was flying nearly a half hour behind schedule.
Iranian patrol boats had been harassing the USS Vincennes, and an Iranian P-3 was flying nearby – an indication that an aerial attack was an imminent possibility.
After the events of September 11, 2001, it is hard to argue that the USS Vincennes was even at fault in the shootdown of the Iranian A300. Suicidal small boat attacks were used by Iran during attacks on civilian shipping during the so-called “Tanker War,” while suicidal “human wave” attacks (involving ten of thousands of conscripts) were frequently used by the Iranians in the 1980-88 war.
The bottom line is that the captain and crew of the USS Vincennes acted promptly and decisively in a high threat environment. The same cannot be said of the captain and crew of the USS Stark, which had been attacked the previous year.
Bull****! Did u notice I highlighted yr source of the Iranian Airlines flying path resembles a F-14 approaching? As what hallou84 says,u must be smoking some high grade grass provided by yr government,is it? 😀
USS Vincennes acted promptly and decisively in a high threat environment.
Don make me laugh by posting this remark! Read more unbiased source before u come and post something..
In the period between 1984 and 1988 Iran launched a series of attacks against neutral flagged civilian shipping in the Persian Gulf. The USS Vincennes was deployed to the Persian Gulf as part of Operation Earnest Will to protect civilian vessels.
The USS Vincennes shot down a non-compliant aerial target that with a flight profile which resembled that of an Iranian F-14 on an attack run. The USS Vincennes had recently engaged Iranian gunboats – vessels which often employed suicide tactics.
More of an incompetent of the crew of USS Vincennes and the gungho attitude of the CO of the ship who defy top level SOP that results the mishap.. Basically the Iranian airlines did nothing wrong!
oh my god!
pakistan is too pooor! you walk on street of Karachi or islam Abad you see thousands of people leing on ground and begging. and the goverment spend millions of bling bling bucks to make new missiles!!
And who is the threat to Pakistan? India? well they both have nuclear capability i dont think they gonna fight anymore in full scale.
Look at the kuwaiti,super rich.Having all kinds of luxurious housing but cannot even put up a good fight to stop the Iraqi in a day. What the point of able of able to feed all yr citizen when u r not even have the basic means to defend yr freedom…
PRC maybe the first customer given the EU ban is lifted….
QW-2
Indeed,it looks like PLA QW-2 and given the close relationship between both countries.China sold QW-2 blueprint or assist them in making it sounds sensible since QW-3/4 has already enter PLA service…
US has no intention of occuping Iran territory, Nor does it has the resources to do so.
It has certain concern on its Nuclear Program , Add to the belligerence of Iran
President that Israel be destroyed only add to the concern.In worst case , US & Israel ( either both or any one country ) will take down the Busherra N-reactor and other enrichment and N-facility, also this will require paralysing its Air-Defence system.
I dont expect a Ground warfare in Iran.
Austin,u r so brilliant! Uncle Sam and u don expect a ground warfare,have u ask the Iranian whether they want a ground warfare? Since their country is being bombed,I wouldn’t expect they r so idiot and take no retaliation.Remember,do not compare Iran now to Iraq of 1986 of Israel bombing of their nuclear facilities where they take no action to retaliate. Now their oppenent is just beside them,where a massive ground offensive can conduct.Plus US already short of man-power,u think they can stop human wave from Iran?