Another issue- if the contracts are not watertight, then the OEM can get away with lower than what ToT was initially agreed upon. This isn’t specific to India alone. The South Koreans are pissed off with Airbus over the Surion where certain technology that was supposed to have been transferred by Airbus, wasn’t transferred, or not transferred to the level the South Koreans expected. But now Airbus will likely just claim that KAI wasn’t in a position to absorb those technologies and the South Koreans may not have any contractual way to do anything about it.

If anything, the GoI is doing the right thing. Making the contract as close to being watertight as possible when it comes to ensuring that Dassault has to transfer tech and ensure that it does all it can to avoid delays. There will still be loopholes, that for sure cannot be avoided, but the MoD will have to do its best to protect HAL in case Dassault doesn’t deliver in time or plays hardball later.

again, “what we guys perfectly get” is that Dassault should be liable for its own job (making aircraft, supplying good parts, jigs, documentation and so on)

everybody says that. what you don’t seem to get is that Dassault, once it has done its job properly, supplied everything as it should, it can’t be held liable for what HAL does next

But how do you know that Dassault is agreeing to what it’s responsibility in this entire matter is? Everyone is commenting on this issue without knowing any of the real specifics and the target is HAL since they have a reputation for tardiness that they’ve got themselves to blame for in the past. But based on what the DPP stated, the liability is for Dassault supplied parts, kits, jigs/fixtures, docs and labour. Nowhere does it state that Dassault will have to take the entire responsibilty for HAL’s work. That seems to be an internet argument that has arisen from some articles that are VERY POOR in the specifics.

Look, if an AWST (not even FG, since it sources its info from some Indian journos) had gone into the details of this impasse and we had the true details, we could comment- as of now, Western posters are just siding with Dassault based on the assumption that somehow HAL is trying to push its responsibility onto Dassault- which most likely isn’t the case. HAL isn’t a Reliance Industries. They know how to build modern fighters. HAL has a big stake in the success of the MRCA and despite being a PSU they have no motive to scupper the MRCA or delay it so that Dassault gets shafted.

And, the Rafale isn’t built from space dust that only Dassault has the ability to manufacture it to the required specs and in time. As it is, the first 60 odd Rafales will be nearly entirely built in France and only assembled at HAL facilities. Dassault appears to be playing hard ball to try and get the best deal possible and in this hullabaloo over liability, the big escalation in the price of the deal from Dassault’s end is seemingly getting lost on posters.

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Not really.

Dassault says –
It complied with the RFP as written.
As written, the RFP does not require it to guarantee HAL’s work.
It’s not possible for it to guarantee HAL’s work, because it doesn’t have authority over HAL.

You’re saying it’s for Dassault to explain how it would do something it says is impossible for it to do.

And you have read the RFP to be so sure that the GoI and MoD are definitely wrong whereas Dassault is right?

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India, does not have the knowhow and expertice to build the different fan stages of and AL-31FP, nor do they build the Nozzles of the engines.
They only do overhauls of engines there.

That was one of the important part in small letters they forgot to ink when they first signed up for the MKI’s contract.

why do you keep repeating the same thing without bothering to even look up google for a bit?

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They even manufacture the single crystal blades for the AL-31FP

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It has already established a facility for production of single crystal blades for Sukhois, which can further support India’s missile and unmanned combat aerial vehicle (UCAV) programmes.
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The Sukhoi (Su-30 MKI) engine facility is a marvel by itself with some of the gen-next technologies already being used, including a robotic welding system. Speaking to OneIndia, Rajaram Mohanty, Officiating General Manager (Sukhoi Engine Divison), said that a total of 23 engines have been made from the raw material phase now.

“The division has so far manufactured close to 280 engines (AL-31FP) for the Sukhois, while around 158 have been overhauled. The first engine from the raw material phase was rolled out during 2011-12. We are also fully equipped for the long testing (three months) of Sukhoi engines,” says Rajaram.