the build quality on that Su-35S looks very good..hardly any panel gaps or surface dimples.
Possibly the most in-depth article on the Kargil conflict, its beginnings and the IAF’s involvement and the lessons learnt from it, that I’ve come across.
Written by Benjamin Lambeth, it makes for a very interesting and absorbing read. A must read for those interested in how the shape of future warfare along India’s northern borders with China and Pakistan may shape up to be.
Carnegie Endowment – Airpower at 18,000 ft- IAF in Kargil War
After several early firefights with the entrenched Pakistanis that occasioned numerous Indian fatalities in an unsuccessful bid to recapture the closest of the occupied positions, the Indian Army approached the IAF on May 11 and asked it to help turn the tide through a commitment of armed helicopters to support the embattled ground troops.26 Conflicting views persist to this day regarding what happened over the ensuing two weeks after that initial army entreaty with respect to when and how the IAF should become involved in the conduct of India’s looming counteroffensive.
One view maintains that the IAF initiated combat operations over Kargil only “reluctantly” and sought “to avoid involvement in the conflict altogether, claiming inexperience in mountain warfare and unfamiliarity with the terrain, as well as the risk associated with the heightened SAM [surface-to-air-missile] threat in the mountains.” That view holds that the IAF committed itself to the fight only after an insistent demand for such involvement from the Indian Army leadership.27 This interpretation drew much of its claim to veracity from an assessment by an Indian civilian defense writer that appeared shortly after the war ended. The writer alleged that once the extent of the Pakistani intrusions was discovered, the IAF at first “sidestepped requests by the army to attack the infiltrators” and agreed to lend its support to the ongoing fighting only after its leadership “was presented with a fait accompli and pressed [presumably by higher government authority] into making attacks on May 26.”28
This particular para may illustrate just why the IA is insistent on the helicopter gunships being completely under their control as opposed to the current situation where they are manned by IAF pilots and under IAF control while being tasked to support IA objectives.
the IA has now ordered ALH Rudra gunships and 114 LCH gunships (of which the IAF will get a separate 64) and has plans to have an aviation brigade with 2 heli gunship squadrons plus 2 squadrons of tactical lift/recon helos in each of its Strike corps
Agni III IRBM also launched successfully by the Strategic Forces Command

Two days after a perfect trial of the highly advanced Agni-IV weapon system, India today successfully test-fired its nuclear-capable Agni-III missile with a strike range of over 3000 km from the Wheeler Island off the Odisha coast.The indigenously developed surface-to-surface missile, capable of carrying a warhead of 1.5 tonnes protected by a carbon all-composite heat shield, blasted off at 1315 hours from a mobile launcher at launch complex-4 of Integrated Test Range (ITR), defence sources said.
“The trial was successful and met all the mission objectives,” a defence scientist said.
The launch operation was carried out by strategic forces command of the Indian army with logistic support from Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO).
The trajectory of the trial was monitored for data analysis through telemetry stations, electro-optic systems and sophisticated radars located along the coast, and by naval ships anchored near the impact point, the sources said.
“It was the fifth test in the Agni-III series carried out to establish the ‘repeatability’ of the state-of-the-art missile’s performance,” a DRDO scientist said.
Agni-III missile is powered by a two-stage solid propellant system. With a length of 17 metres, the missile’s diameter is 2 metres and has a launch weight of around 50 tonnes.
The missile is equipped with hybrid navigation, guidance and control systems along with advanced on-board computers. The electronic systems are hardened for higher vibration, thermal and acoustic effects, a DRDO official said.
Though the first development trial of Agni-III carried out on July 9, 2006 could not achieve the desired result, subsequent tests conducted on April 12, 2007, May 7, 2008 and February 7, 2010 from the same base were all successful.
Today’s test came after a successful trial of highly advanced Agni-IV ballistic missile with a strike range of about 4000 km from the same base.
utter rubbish. The MiG-21 is deeply unpopular with the media who have termed it ‘Flying coffin’ and ‘widow maker’. We’ve never heard of a single incident where any IAF pilot has refused to fly a MiG-21, unlike even F-22s in the USAF when they were having their hypoxia related issues.
Could one of our French friends translate the details on the Snecma collaboration with GTRE as given on this page from Air & Cosmos?
I repeat my request for someone to translate the details on Snecma-GTRE.
Agni IV IRBM launched successfully in another test. Displayed accuracy of <100 m over a flight range of 4000 km.
Agni III user trial test to be carried out soon by the Strategic Force Command.
India on Wednesday successfully test-fired nuclear weapons capable Agni-IV for its full range of 4,000 km from the Wheeler Island, off the Odisha coast.
The missile lifted off from a road mobile launcher at 11.48 a.m. and after zooming to an altitude of over 800 km, it re-entered the atmosphere and impacted near the pre-designated target in the Indian Ocean with remarkable degree of accuracy following a 20-minute flight.
Carrying a payload of explosives weighing a tonne, the missile re-entered the atmosphere and withstood searing temperatures of more than 3,000°C.
The developmental trial of the long range ballistic weapon system was conducted by missile technologists of the Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO), which designed and developed it.Talking The Hindu from Wheeler Island, Scientific Advisor to the Defence Minister V.K. Saraswat said “ we had an excellent launch”. He said the two-stage solid-propelled missile performed as per the normal parameters right from the lift-off till the terminal event when it impacted the target point with a “two-digit” accuracy. He said the data showed that the missile followed pre-determined path with an accuracy of less than 100m. Two naval ships located down range recorded the trajectory of the missile and the terminal phase and transmitted the data in real time. He said the success of the mission reinforced the robustness of the design and various subsystems.
Dr. Saraswat said Agni-IV would be inducted into the services next year after undertaking one more developmental trial. He said, “The mission confirms reliability and robustness of the missile. It demonstrates India’s missile technology has become highly mature and we can now design any missile for any mission, depending on the threat profile. Technologically, today we are at par with the best in the world. We have complete industrial infrastructure which helped us to realise Agni-IV”.He said the series of successful missions — Agni-V, followed by Agni-I, Agni-II, Prithvi-II and Agni-IV now showed that these missiles could be launched on demand in a very short time.
Avinash Chander, Chief Controller (Missiles and Strategic Systems), DRDO said Agni-IV was tested in its full operational scenario and the missile fully proved itself in all respects. He said the deliverable road mobile launcher configuration was also validated in this mission. Observing that it was one of the lightest long-range missiles of its class, he said it would be a potent addition to the strategic forces.
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Meanwhile, the Strategic Force Command personnel will launch nuclear weapons capable Agni-III surface-to-surface ballistic missile on September 21, 2012 as part user training.
Video of the launch is here
Indeed Russia too has gained quite a lot from this one sale.
Don’t forget the situation that MiG was in when the Gorshkov deal went through. It literally gave a lifeline to MiG Corp. and now they have a relatively stable position, with 16 MiG-29Ks delivered and another 29 on order. It was the IN order that allowed them to properly develop the “unified family” that has given rise to the MiG-35 and with that aircraft they have a good aircraft that will hopefully find a large enough buyer sometime apart from the VVS.
From the IN’s perspective, the MiG-29K/KUB has probably been the silver lining in the cloud. The first squadron has been established and they’ve already gone past 1000 hours of flying operations since then. It gives them a naval fighter that is many times more capable than the Sea Harrier and at a fairly decent price as compared to the only other real option they had- the Rafale M.
Could one of our French friends translate the details on the Snecma collaboration with GTRE as given on this page from Air & Cosmos?

In my opinion, look at penalties for another delay. But don’t look at cancelling the deal. After having spent so much time waiting for it, and having spent so much on the infrastructure/support/training for the sailors and the flight crew, it would be a monumental waste to throw it all away over boiler temps not being managed well by the insulation.
It will only penalise the Indian Navy and cause a situation where the IN will be most likely left without a serving aircraft carrier by 2016-17 when the INS Viraat will be almost surely retired (I know that we hear that it’ll go on till 2020, but whether it’ll have a worthwhile component of fighters left on board is in doubt).
I feel that people are over-reacting to what is a manageable issue. Solve the insulation problems, repair the boilers or fit new ones and all of this needs to be managed by the shipyard and its suppliers without dragging the customer into the muck with claims that the warranty had expired BEFORE the boilers were even fit into the ship. If they try to extract more money out of the IN, then it may well end up being the last straw. And put in clauses that ensure that such problems don’t become recurring ones for the INS Vikramaditya, else she’ll end up being a dock queen rather, spending more time in refits than on sea.
There are two types of asbestos – definitely cancerogenic amphibolous asbestos, which has been banned and chrysotilic asbestos which is soluble and therefore much less dangerous as it doesn’t accumulate in the lungs. The second type is not banned by the Rotterdam convention and is used in US, China and Russia. India nevertheless requested “no asbestos whatever”.
Vik still is capable to make 23 knots under 5 boilers which was the reason to continue the flight tests and repair the boilers later.
The designer of the boilers has stated that the warranty period was only 10 months (:confused:) and the designer and the actual producer of the boilers Baltiysky Zavod are disputing who is responsible and will have to pay for repairs and delay fine, if any. This has nothing to do with Sevmash shipyard or India.
Thanks Snake65. The bold part is the one I have a question about. Does it imply that the boilers were under warranty and hence the Indian side will not have to pay for the repairs or replacement of the boilers?
The boiler insulation choice was made well before the Clemenceau problem… asbestos & its removal have been serious issues since the mid-1980s.
Yes, ship-scrapping at Alang did bring the issue forward in India, but mainly due to issues from scrapping the ex-British carriers 25 de Mayo & Minas Gerais in the late 1990s & early 2000s.
Exactly… the claim that the shipyard will be paying for the repairs strongly indicates that the shipyard was at fault… they likely were the ones that made the final choice of the exact material, and they chose one that was not rated for the temperatures those boilers reach.
If it does turn out that the fault lay with the shipyard for having used a ceramic material that couldn’t withstand the heat generated by the boilers, then the Indian side will be really pissed off. If they’re asked to pay for the boiler removal and repair, or new boilers, that will definitely lead to more delays as the Indian side will not agree to that..not sure how this will pan out.
The Indian side was well within their rights to ask that asbestos not be used, considering how harmful that material is to those exposed to it. Surely there are other materials that are less harmful and can insulate as well as asbestos.
This will come as a blow to the IN’s plans for sure. But they will definitely not accept the Vikramaditya with top speed limitations. That’s for sure.
Though in insurgency warfare every base is technically a FAB.
The LTTE engaged in terrorist activities far from the front as well as more conventional fighting.
If so, then even conventional aircraft would be based there, not just STOVL aircraft like the F-35B.
Besides, where could they have based their aircraft if not at Katunayeke air base? The post I quoted implied that the LTTE attacked an FAB, which was clearly not the case.
Really puts a crimp in the whole forward basing argument for F-35B.
But then so does a lot of the whole history of basing aircraft forward during insurgencies – look at US aircraft losses in Vietnam from mortar attacks or the raid on a Sri Lankan airbase by LTTE.
The attack on Sri Lankan airbases is a poor example. They were at Katunayeke air base, north of Colombo, which is not a FAB and which is far from the eastern front where the LTTE was being engaged by the Sri Lankan armed forces.
They were supposed to have been safe, being so far from the front.
ask the Russians
those aren’t really LERXs on the PAK-FA- they’re movable LEVCONs. And the leading edge of the LEVCON has the same sweepback angle as that of the wing itself. Not so on the AMCA configuration whose CFD image was posted.
Aroor’s speculating as usual but the MiG-29ish configuration (whether actual or speculation) appeals to the fanboy inside me 🙂
BTW, this is the NAL pdf from which Shiv Aroor has lifted that image. Again, he lifts an image from a document someone else has put together and puts his big watermark on it without clearly mentioning that the image belongs to NAL and is not copyrighted by him.
The configuration looks different from an earlier one that NAL had shown as well. But are LERXs good for stealth?
