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  • in reply to: Hot Dog Indian AF News and Discussion Part 17 #2380684
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    Hope they locate the pilot and that he is safe and sound..

    in reply to: Possible US offer of F-6A Skyray to India in 1964 #2380697
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    Strange claim, when nearly all air-combat for decades was subsonic or transsonic utmost. See the Indian kill claims of MiG-21s against PAF aircraft about f.e..
    Similar thing with Israeli fighters against the Mach 2 capable MiG-21s.

    its not a strange claim. the PAF was receiving F-104s at that time and the IAF wanted a fighter to match its high speed interception capability- viz. its Mach 2 dash capability. the MiG-21 offered that, whereas the F6A didn’t, so obviously the IAF was not interested in the F6A as an alternative to capping MiG-21 numbers to 1 squadron.

    And one of the clear aims of the US offer of help for the HF-24 was (possibly just pretend) to assist India in developing a Mach 2 capable fighter of its own and if that failed, then look at providing the IAF with a fighter capable of that at some later date.


    One alternative, proposed by the State Department, is for the U.S. to say to the Indians that if, after an examination of technical feasibility, the UK and the U.S. agree with India to collaborate in the production of the HF–24, and if this collaboration fails to produce a supersonic interceptor adequate to meet the Chicom threat, at such time as this failure is determined the U.S. will assist in finding other means to meet the Indian need for supersonic aircraft.

    I regard this as a commitment to make available to the Indians, on a credit or cash purchase basis, a Mach 2 aircraft some two or three years from now if the HF–24 project fails.

    the US aim was obvious- the try and boost the IAF to be able to deal with a Chicom threat while at the same time not giving the IAF the tools to deal with the PAF in a dominant manner. And this is the underlying reason why the GoI and the IAF rejected this offer and went with the Soviet offer of acquisition and production of MiG-21s on very generous terms.

    These documents are really eye-opening..I’ve only read non-official sources that showed the bias that the US Administration had towards Pakistan..these prove that beyond doubt and give a very solid reason as to why India tilted towards the Soviets.

    in reply to: Possible US offer of F-6A Skyray to India in 1964 #2381236
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    I cannot imagine why India turned down an offer of such advanced technology.

    On the other hand, you could write a neat alternate history about reviving the Skylancer as a US-India codevelopment, with the J79.

    do you mean with respect to the engine for the HF-24 Marut ? As far as the F6A goes, it was hardly an airplane that would’ve excited the IAF, which was getting the Mach 2 capable MiG-21s by then..

    in reply to: Possible US offer of F-6A Skyray to India in 1964 #2381240
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    BA, it was tied to canceling mig-21 production in India and the aircraft offered, F-6A was a generation old. at the time it was being withdrawn from service in US.

    yes I know Boom, that the F6A Skyray was not really comparable to the MiG-21..

    but it is interesting nevertheless to know that the US actually did consider offering them as part of a military surplus program. I hadn’t even heard of such a plan before reading this..

    if the US really wanted India to let go of the MiG-21 and its production agreement, they needed to offer the F-104 Starfighter and offer to allow India to produce it as well..basically match the Soviet offer, not offer something inferior albeit for free or for a small price for spares. And even then I’m quite happy that the IAF chose to go with the MiG-21 anyway..it has been the strongest bone in the backbone of the IAF for all these years.

    in reply to: Possible US offer of F-6A Skyray to India in 1964 #2381500
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    great find datafuser! Never knew that the US actually looked at supplying the IAF with F6A and helping with the HF-24 program..had the Indians agreed, the future of the HF-24 Marut may have been very different thanks to the engine issue that never let it reach its full potential.

    in reply to: Nice MMRCA News and Discussion 9 #2381507
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    The KEPD-350 Taurus is planned for integration on German and possibly Spanish Eurofighters. But the weapon may not be integrated before 2017. The Rafale uses the Scalp-EG so you will not see it on the Rafale unless the Indians decide to buy the Rafale and require the integration of that weapon. This would be interesting as they may wish to integrate the same weapon on the upgraded Mirage 2000, but the question to ask is whether Scalps aren’t already part of the M2k upgrade. In such a case they would be better of with the Scalp to have a unified weapon on the M2k, Rafale and possibly Su-30MKI. The MiGs, Jaguars and Tejas are unlikely to be compatible with either weapon and Meteor doesn’t make much sense for aircraft with modest radar performance. However the Su-30MKI would be a good platform to combine with the Meteor.

    Why won’t the Jaguar and Tejas be compatible with the Taurus or the Scalp-EG?

    BTW, doesn’t the Taurus with a stated range of 300 miles fall under the purview of MTCR ? Or will they offer a version where the range is reduced to just below MTCR requirements?

    in reply to: Nice MMRCA News and Discussion 9 #2382295
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    IAF must have lost faith in Russia’s ability to supply them with Su-30 parts, else i can’t see the rationale to get another type

    yes, that must be why they’re ready to spend another $2.3 billion to upgrade those Su-30MKI’s even more, after having ordered 272 Su-30MKIs in the first place..really, a sign of how they don’t have faith in the Russians’ ability to supply spares. :rolleyes:

    in reply to: Hot Dog Indian AF News and Discussion Part 17 #2383163
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    http://russianplanes.net/images/to57000/056394.jpg

    Indian Tu-142ME in Russia.

    thanks for that. Any idea what overhaul its going through?

    in reply to: Nice MMRCA News and Discussion 9 #2383364
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    😉 I have long thought and commented that all these twin engined fighters would become White Elephants at one stage for the IAF. Good to know some one in the media thinks the same as well. 😉

    good to know that the DDM is as uninformed as you are?

    Do you really think that you’re more knowledgeable about the IAF’s requirements than all the acquisition guys in the IAF who are really behind the evaluation trials and so on? :rolleyes:

    in reply to: Nice MMRCA News and Discussion 9 #2383634
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    its a biased and uninformed article by someone who doesn’t seem to understand that it was the IAF that did the evaluations and its results are quite similar to what even the Swiss Armasuisse agency found (that the Rafale is up tops, followed by the Typhoon and the Gripen lagging behind).

    To suggest that some “Italian family” is interested in the Typhoon and hence it has been shortlisted is ignorant to say the least.

    in reply to: Nice MMRCA News and Discussion 9 #2384150
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    don’t let saint antony know of this ‘hacking’ or he will cancel MRCA.

    😀

    in reply to: wanted this aircraft but could not get thread #2384700
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    Pakistan- wanted the Mirage-2000-5 variant and was very interested in it, but couldn’t afford the deal, so eventually it petered out.

    Pakistan- wanted the Gripen C/D. Musharraf publicly asked Sweden to supply Gripens to the PAF when he was in Stockholm. Apparently the request was turned down.

    in reply to: Hot Dog Indian AF News and Discussion Part 17 #2384807
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    good reply there Boom. Air Cmde Kaiser Tufail has been refreshingly honest in his articles, which lays to rest much of the bluster one can see in such arguments generally.

    Coming back to the IAF’s procurement plans, the C-17 Globemaster IIIs will be inducted into the IAF by 2013 and all 10 of them will be delivered before 2015. The IAF plans on a follow-on purchase of 6 more C-17s..interesting to hear the ACM mention that the IAF wanted 20 but the GoI gave approval for 16.

    The Indian Air Force (IAF) will induct in June 2013 the first of the 10 C-17 Globemaster-III heavy airlifters it has purchased from the US, and then order six more. IAF chief, Air Chief Marshal Norman Anil Kumar Browne, told India Strategic defence magazine (http://www.indiastrategic.in) in an interview that Boeing would deliver all the already ordered 10 aircraft between 2013 and 2014, and that once the IAF was satisfied with their performance, six more would be ordered. By 2015, the induction of all the 16 aircraft should be complete.

    “C-17 Globemaster III aircraft are expected to be inducted between 2013 and 2015,” he said.

    The Air Chief said that the IAF had actually planned to acquire 20 aircraft but right now, it had the Defence Ministry’s approval for just 16.

    The aircraft had done well during the rigorous tests for short takeoffs and night operations and the IAF is preparing a number of its airbases, including in the mountainous northern and northeastern region, for the C-17 and Lockheed Martin C-130J Super Hercules aircraft. The latter have, in fact, begun relief operations in the northeastern region following the recent earthquake.

    Both the aircraft can be refuelled midair and would be networked with the IAF’s air and ground assets.

    The IAF hopes to sign the contract for the additional six C-17s within 2013.
    The contract for the first lot of 10 aircraft was signed in June this year in accordance with the US government’s Foreign Military Sales (FMS) programme under a government-to-government deal for USD 4.1 billion, which included a training and support package as well as 30 percent offset investment into India’s defence programmes.

    Notably, Boeing officials had told a group of Indian journalists visiting the C-17 manufacturing facility at Long Beach in California last year that the company could accelerate production and deliver the required number before schedule.

    link

    in reply to: Hot Dog Indian AF News and Discussion Part 17 #2303230
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    even a deadline within a time span of a day is delayed!!!!

    how long!!!

    what deadline ? Who told you that they were announcing a winner today ?! 😡

    in reply to: Hot Dog Indian AF News and Discussion Part 17 #2303444
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    Details on the Dhruv ALH-WSI variant (Rudra)

    http://www.indiastrategic.in/image/img_1200.jpg
    Rudra

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    http://www.indiastrategic.in/image/Dhruv_cockpit.jpg
    Dhruv cockpit

    The armed version of the ALH, designated Rudra by the Army Aviation Corps which operates them, is still under various tests before its induction by end-2011. But so far, according to Chairman and Managing Ashok Nayak of HAL, which manufactures the helicopter at its Bangalore facility, all the required tests, undertaken step by step, have been successful.

    Rudra has also cleared the airto- air and air-to-ground missile firing tests at the Interim Test Range at Balasore in Orissa and now, combined missile, rocket and gun firing tests, day and night, would be conducted later this year. Pilots also have Helmet mounted cueing systems to ensure precision attacks.

    Notably, Rudra is powered by the new Shakti engine developed by HAL and the French Turbomeca, which should be a standard fitting in all versions of the ALH, including the high altitude attack helicopter now called LCH or Light Combat helicopter, Mr Nayak told India Strategic in an interview.

    It may be noted that Rudra, or ALHWSI (Weapon Systems Integrated) is coming in two versions. The Mark III, which Brig Sidhu took to the new heights, has Electronic Warfare and Targeting Systems while the Mark IV would have a French Nexter 20 mm turret gun, Belgian 70 mm rockets, and MBDA air to air and air to ground missiles. All these systems have been tested individually.

    It may be recalled that when Pakistan intruded into India leading to the 1999 Kargil War, the Indian Army or IAF did not have high altitude helicopters. And as there are no Himalayan battle grounds in the world, the big international companies have not developed them yet.
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    HAL’ s Managing Director of the Helicopter Division, Mr Soundra Rajan, and General Manager, Dr Prasad Sampath, told India Strategic that the Dhruv “is now a mature platform” and that it has “far exceeded” the IAF and Army Qualitative Staff Requirements (QSRs) in terms of weight, range and heights. Improvements are still on.

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    The ALH test flight was conducted by Army’s ace test pilot Brig Amardeep Sidhu in Leh while the two Cheetals were taken to this height by ace pilots of the Indian Air Force (IAF) to rescue a stranded foreign mountaineer.

    The armed version of the ALH, designated Rudra by the Army Aviation Corps which operates them, is still under various tests before its induction by end-2011. But so far, according to Chairman and Managing Ashok Nayak of HAL, which manufactures the helicopter at its Bangalore facility, all the required tests, undertaken step by step, have been successful.

    Rudra has also cleared the airto- air and air-to-ground missile firing tests at the Interim Test Range at Balasore in Orissa and now, combined missile, rocket and gun firing tests, day and night, would be conducted later this year. Pilots also have Helmet mounted cueing systems to ensure precision attacks.

    Notably, Rudra is powered by the new Shakti engine developed by HAL and the French Turbomeca, which should be a standard fitting in all versions of the ALH, including the high altitude attack helicopter now called LCH or Light Combat helicopter, Mr Nayak told India Strategic in an interview.

    Cheetal, which is an upgraded Cheetah (Alouette) helicopter with a newer Turbomeca TM 333-2B2 engine, will be on its way out in the coming years when it is replaced by the ALH versions, including a brand new Light Utility Helicopter (LUH).

    Nonetheless, despite its limitations, four IAF pilots, Wg Cdr S Srinivasan, Wg Cdr D C Tiwari, Flt Lt A Agrawal and Flt Lt A K Bharmoria, achieved the daring feat to rescue a seriously ill American mountaineer, who was part of an Indo-US expedition in the East Karakoram range of Ladakh region in India Aug 26.

    But Shakti is the engine of today, Mr Nayak said adding that Turbomeca had done all the required Transfer of Technology (ToT) for its manufacture by HAL. The utility version is however still on the drawing board but should not take long to develop as its various components would be the same as those successfully tested on ALH variants. Its engine is also under the selection process.

    Mr Nayak said that Phase I of the Shakti engine’s TOT was over, and the remaining three phases would be completed in about two years and then the infrastructure to manufacture it fully in India would be established. Significantly, he pointed out, the critical engine core technology had already been transferred.

    It may be noted that Rudra, or ALHWSI (Weapon Systems Integrated) is coming in two versions. The Mark III, which Brig Sidhu took to the new heights, has Electronic Warfare and Targeting Systems while the Mark IV would have a French Nexter 20 mm turret gun, Belgian 70 mm rockets, and MBDA air to air and air to ground missiles. All these systems have been tested individually.

    It may be recalled that when Pakistan intruded into India leading to the 1999 Kargil War, the Indian Army or IAF did not have high altitude helicopters. And as there are no Himalayan battle grounds in the world, the big international companies have not developed them yet.

    Alouette, acquired in the 1960s, underwent periodic changes and innovations in the perspective of “Necessity is the Mother of Inventions” and the brave pilots of the Indian Air Force, Army and Navy have flown this helicopter despite its limitations.

    HAL’ s Managing Director of the Helicopter Division, Mr Soundra Rajan, and General Manager, Dr Prasad Sampath, told India Strategic that the Dhruv “is now a mature platform” and that it has “far exceeded” the IAF and Army Qualitative Staff Requirements (QSRs) in terms of weight, range and heights. Improvements are still on.

    Understandably, many systems on board the ALH are sourced from different countries, particularly France, but HAL deserves a big credit for integrating them on one platform. Both the Rudra and LCH have a glass cockpit, a 2nd generation advanced vibration control and monitoring system, as well as the significant Hover Control for critical moments.

    Two prototypes of the LCH have done about 100 hours, flown by Group Captain Unni Pillai, a retired IAF test pilot, who is the Chief Test Pilot for HAL now.
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