BlackArcherthe Tejas is inferior to the F-20. it is heavier, worse thrust to weight ratio, higher wing loading, and radar capability about the same. I think the biggest limitation is that they chose to build a design over 1 meter shorter and a pure delta. this severely limits the growth potential and upgrade of the Tejas. But either way, Indian bureacracy will kill the program.
Give Pakistan a fleet of JF-17 or F-20, it will have the performance edge over the Tejas.
wrong.
It has the same empty weight as the JF-17 – the so-called “overweight” is because the original design goal was an unrealistic 5500 kgs figure that no other light fighter has managed to attain either..not the Gripen A/B/C/D nor the FA-50 nor the JF-17. Of course, you set a ridiculous target and don’t meet it then you get to be pinged for it, but the fact is that it has 270 kgs of ballast that is over and above the 6500 kgs of empty weight. That’s it. And that ballast will go away with the Tejas Mk1A version thanks to the AESA radar being heavier.
Tejas has the same MTOW as the JF-17- and their max thrust is almost the same as well..has the same G limits as the JF-17 and the FA-50. It has an Indo-Israeli hybrid radar derived from the Elta El/M-2032 and MMR and you’re claiming that this radar is about the same as something that was developed in the 1980s?
the existing version has DASH HMDS, R-73 Archer, Derby BVR and Python-5 WVR missile..not to talk about LGB with self-lasing capability and EW pod that will be integrated, or the Astra BVR missile or the other PGMs and LGBs and ARMs.
And on the Tejas Mk1A which will be the main IAF version and is supposed to be rolled out in 2018, there is going to be an Elta 2052 AESA radar, with EW pod.
Its one thing that the IAF sets a ridiculously high bar versus the PAF which is happy to be replacing the F-7 and A-5s with something modern enough.
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Jaguar en-route to Alaska..pic taken at Lajes. cross post from BRF
BlackArcherI agree, a lot of nonsense has been talked & written in both countries, & it’s ridiculous (as some right-wing British newspapers have suggested) that there is any connection between British aid & Indian military spending, but as for “India can manage on its own, thank you very much.” – what has it to do with well-off people like you, or Indian politicians, who British people choose to help? It’s up to the donors & the recipients. Nobody else has any right to interfere. It’s called freedom. Middle-class Indians (or any other nationality) don’t own the poor of their nation. They have the same rights, & can choose for themselves whether to accept help, & who to accept it from.
But the fact of the matter is that this “aid” doesn’t come without any strings attached..remember just how disappointed and bitter some people in the UK were when the Typhoon didn’t win? And how they even mentioned that this aid was just a way of making sure that they would win the deal somehow..as if they were related in some way..probably because, in the eyes of those handing out the aid, they were related. It was a way of influencing the image of the UK in India.
I’m not against NGOs being helped through donations and I do agree that any help given, if appreciable, just as long as the reasons for giving the help in the first place are genuine.
But each time the Typhoon’s loss in the MRCA comes up, we hear the same “oh why do we need to give them aid when they can afford to buy others’ defence equipment” line..knee jerk reactions from people who don’t bother to understand the ground realities at all.
BlackArcherThis argument is ill-informed – like the Telegraph article.
The aid which is referred to is not given to “India”, or the government of India, but (usually via NGOs) to help people in India. Its beneficiaries welcome it. Indian politicians dislike it because it embarrasses them. They think that their embarrassment is more important than the welfare of those of India’s citizens who are helped by the aid.
British charities will continue helping people in India.
BTW, the average UK interest rate from 1857 to 1947 was 3.58%, nowhere near 7.85%. Peaked at 10%, but spent a very long time at 2%.
it all started out with politicians and the public in the UK cribbing about this developmental aid, and talking about how countries that could afford to spend billions of $ on weapons did not need aid. Which other people (like that poster Ezco), who don’t bother to read anything more than the headlines, translate into “hardworking UK citizens pay taxes which fund weapons purchases in other nations”..which simply isn’t true and is incredibly condescending.
Please look at helping those of your own people that need aid and help. That is what those UK politicians were cribbing about in the first place, making it out like the Indian govt was spending that developmental aid money on financing arms purchases. India can manage on its own, thank you very much.
BlackArcherWow..
India received £292million in 2012 – yet it spent $45billion on defence in 2014.
So the £292million that India got in 2012 (which India doesn’t ask for BTW and doesn’t want) will pay for a $8-9 billion deal and pay for it. Do you have a brain at all?
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The Government is ending direct bilateral aid to India.
Read the s**t you post. The article itself states that UK aid is ending to India. Which the Indian Govt. said it DIDN’T WANT!!
Sources in Delhi suggested British officials begged India to accept the aid. One commented: ‘They said British ministers had spent political capital justifying the aid to their electorate.
Fellow Tory Douglas Carswell said: ‘This is concrete proof that Britain’s aid programme is run in the interests of Whitehall officials and the DFID machine.
‘The fact is that India’s economy is growing much faster than our own. We should be encouraging free trade with them and trying to learn from them rather than handing out patronising lectures.’
Tory MP Peter Bone urged ministers to abandon the ‘vanity project’ of pursuing a target to hand out 0.7 per cent of the UK’s entire national income in aid.
He said: ‘India has its own foreign aid programme so it is absurd for us to be still giving them aid. They are more than capable of looking after their own issues.
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You’ve just proved yourself to be an individual not be taken seriously at all.
BlackArcherBetter let Indian Navy know so they can stop wasting more funds on AShM threat. You will need “Shtil, Barak-1, Barak-2, MiG-29Ks & Ka-31” performing flawlessly together 24/7 to completely defeat the threat from costal missile batteries, if your fleet is in range.
How does one even know if the JF-17 AShM threat is real..we now know its precision targeting capability really isn’t much to talk about.
BlackArcherThe price paid by Indians is nothing else than standard price, same range than the F18 price Australians are obliged to pay due to delay with their F35. They got a good offset claus in addition. So at the end it is a good deal for them and a good deal for france.
I guess a big part of the Indian deal will be paid with UK taxpayer money anyway, so who cares.
really? Enlighten us please.
BlackArcherPakistan wants to buy French Damocles targeting pod for its JF-17
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To fill the void, Islamabad has decided to bet on the JF-17 fighter, jointly developed by China and Pakistan, rather than spending billions on fifth-generation multi-role aircraft like Dassault’s Rafale, which rival India is buying, or the Russian Su-35.
That option, Arain said, had almost been ruled out for being too expensive and because Pakistan did not want to mix technologies and resources. It would only be reconsidered if “it was pushed against a wall”.
Instead, 16 JF-17s will be produced this year with a further 20 in 2017, but Arain acknowledged that the jets’ usefulness in current operations was limited because it lacks precision targeting.
DAMOCLES POD
“Operationally, the aircraft are working pretty well so we if we had a targeting pod on the JF-17, the burden would be shared,” Arain said.
He said his visit to Paris was in part aimed at assessing from French officials the prospects of supplying the Thales-made Damocles, a third-generation targeting pod. He said that was Islamabad’s priority for now.
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BlackArcherDoes it matter if PAF has equipment from several different countries? What’s wrong with AWACS from one country, heavy strategic lift from another, light fighters from another etc. Agreed, you want to avoid buying a small number of a similar type from several different countries eg some light fighters from China, some from France, some from Sweden, some from USA etc, the reason being the cost of operating a large number of similar types (albeit with different individual capabilities).
But that is precisely what they’re doing..buying AH-1Zs from the US, Mi-35s from Russia, Z-10s from China, while actively showing interest in the Mi-28NE..all for a combined fleet of <30. Maintenance and training cannot be streamlined with such an approach, but then PA’s rotary fleet has always been a collection of various types.
BlackArcher“Make in India” – Boeing and LM offer to locally manufacture F/A-18E/F and F-16
NEW DELHI: In the first government facilitated talks on producing an American fighter jet in India, rivals Boeing and Lockheed Martin (LM) jointly met top defence ministry officials in the capital on Tuesday, offering to locally manufacture the F16 ‘Super Viper’ and a customised F/A 18 ‘Super Hornet’ for Indian Air Force requirements.
The formal meetings, held in the presence of Pentagon’s Director for International Cooperation Keith Webster at South Block, is the first step towards a possible foreign military sales (FMS) proposal for producing American jets under the Make in India initiative.
Several officials associated with the project told ET that the government to government discussions – in the presence of the two defence manufacturers offering the aircraft – would continue over the next few days with US Defense Secretary Ashton Carter scheduled to meet Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar on April 12. While rivals Boeing and LM have publicly announced their interest in manufacturing fighter jets in India, the government level talks are a serious step ahead on the proposals.
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BlackArcherPakistan is to receive nine Bell AH-1Z Viper attack helicopters by the end of September 2018, a US Department of Defense (DoD) contract notification has disclosed.
The USD170.2 million contract, awarded on 4 April, is a modification to a wider award made in August 2015 that covered AH-1Z Viper helicopters for the US Marine Corps (USMC) and Pakistan, as well as UH-1Y Venom helicopters for the USMC.
While the earlier award did not disclose AH-1Z numbers for Pakistan, the country had previously requested the procurement of 15 such platforms. With a number of nine aircraft now given, it is unclear if the remaining six requested will be contracted at a later date, or if the Pakistan Army that will operate them will instead opt to procure other types, such as the Chinese CHAIG WZ-10 attack helicopter (three have been received for trials, and the army has also flown them operationally on counter-terrorism missions).
The original US Defense Security Co-operation Agency notification of Pakistan’s request included 1,000 AGM-114 Hellfire II air-to-surface missiles for “a precision-strike, enhanced-survivability aircraft that can operate at high altitudes. By acquiring this [AH-1Z and Hellfire II] capability, Pakistan will enhance its ability to conduct operations in North Waziristan Agency [NWA], the Federally Administered Tribal Areas [FATAs], and other remote and mountainous areas in all-weather, day and night environments”.
The DoD contract notification is the latest development in Pakistan’s ongoing efforts to bolster and eventually replace its existing 32 AH-1F Cobra platforms. Besides the AH-1Z and WZ-10, the country is rumoured to be interested in the Russian-built Mil Mi-28NE ‘Havoc’ as well. Further, it was announced on 19 August 2015 that Pakistan and Russia had signed a formal agreement for the procurement of four Mi-35 ‘Hind’ attack helicopters, with more likely to follow.
Pakistan to receive 9 AH-1Z attack helos
Eventually replace their AH-1F Cobras with these AH-1Zs, Mi-35s and Z-10s? And also evaluate the Mi-28NE? Just how many types does the PA need when they’re buying them in such small quantities? Needlessly complicates logistics, maintenance and training.
And what does this say about the Turkish T129 ATAK? They were interested in selling them to Pakistan but seem to be only ones left out.
BlackArcherApache AH-64E model in IAF colors at the recently concluded Defexpo 2016..looks badass in that dark camo!
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IAF Su-30MKI pilots before they embarked on the journey to Alaska
IAF C-17 crew
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