RE: DC4
We wish we had a CAA like you have at the other side of the Channel. Ours is the most difficult one in Europe. If you want to have your historic aircraft grounded, put a PH reg on it. Flying under eg G or N reg isn’t an option too. Look what went wrong with the A-26. It had no Dutch historical relevance 9another “must” for the Dutch CAA, so it was banned from flying and is now sold to the States.
RE: Ecuadorean Boeing 720-100
Dutch TV just said that it was a TAME Boeing 727, and that it has crashed.
RE: DC4
If you have a million Dollars to spare, it is most probably yours. I don’t know if Air Atl. wants to have it. Given the fact that they have (good) contacts with the DDA must mean that if they wanted it, they had the time from November 2000 till today, to react or pay. They didn’t. One problem is buying the machine, the other one to get it registrated as “commercial airliner” again. As it is now PH registrated, and not allowed to fly passengers, it will be difficult to get it registrated as so, somewhere abroad. Most irritating is that although the DDA is not allowed to fly passengers in their DC-4, the South Africans (DC-4), Lufthansa (JU-52) and Red Bull (DC-6) will not receive any problems if they want to fly passengers from Amsterdam. They have no Netherlands registration, so the Dutch CAA don’t give a s..t. The CAA is ruled by the politics. As politicians are opertunistic people (always first to get free flights in eg the DC-3’s or Dc-4, they were the first to cry havoc after the DC-3 crash). Aviation is a loaden subject in Holland. As it is economicly “not well done” to kill off the (money earning) big aviation, the politicians found an easy target in the Dutch historic aviation branche. According to them, every aircraft older than 40 years is a potentially safety hazard. I think that they are waiting for one more accident, to ground everything historic flying here in Holland.
I don’t know why Air Atl. is selling its Dc-3 fleet, they are getting too old I think. At least they give them to (flying) museums I understood.
RE: DC4
Yes, the DC-4 is still up for sale, but who needs a fully restored DC-4 to fly passengers today. Nobody, especially not for the huge price that has to be paid for it. The other one was maybe once intended to be flying again. However, it soon started to donate its parts and engine(s) to the PH-DDS. When I last saw it, in August 2001, it was stored in the former Fokker factory, and it was nothing more than a hulk. Its only future is either the scrapyard/firebrigade or, on static display in a museum. Let’s hope for the last one.
RE: Constellation to be scrapped
The situation in Holland is”difficult”, but not “inpossible”(yet). The crash with the DC-3, in which 34 people were killed, did a lot of harm. However, historic aircraft have still some future in Holland, and there is a good chanche that the Constellation will be seen in the air, at least during the 2002 season. I think the july 31 airshow at Lelystad will see most of Hollands vintage fleet in the air, including hopefully, the Constellation which, together with the DC-2, will be based here. Another tip, photography at Lelystad is very good, almost perfect.
RE: DC4
PH-DDS is stored at Amsterdam’s Schiphol Airport. Last year, it made some flights (no passengers allowed(any more?)), and was seen in an formation with two DDA DC-3’s over and at the Leeuwarden Open House. The second DDA DC-4 is also at Schiphol, although many parts have been gone, and it is now more or less a hulk only.
RE: KLM NEW LIVERY
I received the information from Holland that the drawings are “one of a multiple design studies”. It is not official, so forget about a KLM in this livery for the moment, if ever. Much more of these drawings , including the KLM ones, can be found on the following website:
http://www.webstudio.nl/liladesign
There are many colourfull liveries here (Air Holland and South African Air. are very colourfull, the others I haven’t seen yet) but they are drawings only, and probably will never be seen like this on an airliner. I hope I am wrong in this, as they are very beautifull.
RE: KLM NEW LIVERY
If this is true, the KLM is not going to like it published (already). I don’t think there is anything wrong with the old livery, but of the two “new” ones, I prefer the third one, the one that wasn’t choosen for.
RE: Skyshark
There is/was a Skyshark preserved at Chino in California. Last time I saw it there, complete but in an all silver livery, was around 1994 or so. It must be the sole survivor.
RE: A little something for everyone?
The Catalina was donated by the Danish, not the Dutch. It is still in its original RDAF livery.
Roger S
RE: Constellation to be scrapped
I know, a long time ago it was rolled outside during a Wroughton open house or so, but that was only once. Although, with some luck you will see another Connie “outside” as the Dutch Connie has to pass the ocean via a landing in the UK.
Roger
RE: Trust me, you’ll enjoy this
I know, go there in mid April. It is a pity that tours are now conducted out of airconditioned busses with tinted glass, making photography a bit difficult. The tours are organised by the Pima Museum and cost around 6 dollars for an hour and, that is an advantage, you can go two or three times a day if you want. Best way to get some great pics is going to a flying school named “cutting edge aviation” or something like that. For a few Dollars, they fly tours over AMARC. If you are lucky, they have a C-150 with a window that can be opened. Somethimes they fly so low that with a 300 mm lens, aircraft can be shot individualy, and I talk about F-111’ns here, not B-52’s!
regards,
RS
RE: WWII aircraft
The photo was taken during the 1991 airshow at Geneseo in Ny state. Every year they gathered as much 2- and 4 engined WW2 bombers as possible. Only negative part was (always) that the persons behind the microphones couldn’t keep their mouths shut during the flypasts, so all video recording was (always) spoiled by their (usual stupid and (not funny at all)) ‘jokes’. Apart from that, the show was one of the best ones to make photographs, nothing further away than 200 mm, clean background and a “dirt” runway. Tmeless photography!. Unfortunatly, the show isn’t there any more.
RE: Aircraft Research Group Achterhoek
I suggest you contact:
Jan Springintveld crash40-45@hetnet.nl of the Netherlands Federation of Aviation Archeologists. I am quite sure he can get you in contact with the Aircraft Research Group Achterhoek.
Succes!
Best wishes,
Roger Soupart, the Netherlands
soupart@hotmail.com