dear sam martin
my copy of ‘suicide but fun’ was also published in 1995
it contains CERTAIN name lists but not one devoted to just squadron members
a/c were usually identified by pilot’s name and/or squadron letters
plenty of unidentified sq crew members
the 102 (ceylon) sq web page is another line to follow
102 sq
‘IT’S SUICIDE BUT IT’S FUN’ The Story of 102 (Ceylon) Squadron – by Chris Goss
includes p 112/113 deals with the Dai Pugh ditching . Appendix D (p195) details the JD165 DY-J loss .
plenty on the Halifax – but remember there were at least SEVEN basic , different versions of Halifax a/c – don’t fall for the ‘generic’ illustrations !!!
handley page halifax by ka merrick
ISBN 0 946627 60 8
Aston Publications Ltd
JD165
unfortunately the ‘back to normandy’ site was using a generic representative photograph of a HALIFAX – that a/c is NOT JD165 – it’s an early BII series a/c with a nose turret – which JD165 – a BII Series 1 (Special) – was not equipped .
it is in fact a well known photograph of W7676 – 35 Sq – which explains the TL squadron code letters .
there is a wealth of photographic material for a/c of 102 sq – eg THE HANDLEY PAGE HALIFAX by KA Merrick .
i hope this is of use
jd165
i’ve never seen a photograph of jd165 and would be v interested in seeing one ! can you provide me with details or the internet photo ?
jd165
this ac participated in the berlin raid in jan 44 and was f/sgt dms pugh’s first operation . it was a BII Series 1 (Special) . Merlin engines . Faired over nose (tollerton nose)
JD165 102 Berlin 28-29.01.44 . t/o Pocklington 00.16 . Ditched 09.00 in the North Sea , the survivors being brought to Montrose , Angus , on 01.02.44 . Seven man crew aboard . F/Sgt DMS Pugh , pilot , survived to tell the tale and in the 1990s his son , Alun , and myself taught together . I attended Dai Pugh’s cremation funeral on Tuesday 18.06.2002 at Lawnswood Crematorium , Leeds .
F/O JC Graham RCAF had died from his injuries on 31.01.44 and he was buried at Montrose (Sleepyhillock) Cemetery . Three other fatalities have no known graves . Two additional survivors .
jd165 was delivered to 102 Sq during may 1943
102 Sq DY-S .
i quite agree with your sentiments david
the simple statistics are overwhelming
we do well to remember such sacrifice
i do recall the ‘biplane’ hurricane was featured in a war comic back in the late 1950s – characters were depicted gazing skywards comment on same and uttering ‘strewth’ etc
i wonder if anyone can add to this comic recollection
tom scotland
1652 HCU Marston Moor
Halifax II JB788
Chorley notes ‘for his coolness in the face of a very difficult situation he subsequently received a Commanding Officer’s Commendation’
(Bomber Command Losses Vol 8 HCUs and Miscellaneous Units)
no spitfire or hurricane ……..
not to worry ! the BBC website IN PICTURES : TROOPING THE COLOUR claimed in a caption to the photograph of ‘Crowds – including friends and family of the soldiers taking part – lined the Mall’ went on to state “LATER THEY WATCHED THE TRADITIONAL RAF FLYPAST INVOLVING SPITFIRE , HURRICANE AND LANCASTER A/C AND A DISPLAY BY THE RED ARROWS” !!
ahem !!! someone at the bbc was watching a different programme to the one i saw !!! and since when did a flyover become a ‘display’ by the red arrows ?
‘runways’ at scampton ?
i was under the impression that concrete runways were not laid at scampton until after this 617 Sq operation
on BBC2 last night ‘dambusters 70 years on’ i heard dan snow state several times that the lancasters took off from these actual runways …… and accompanying video showed the concrete ……
probably still crated at elvington – back in the late 90s the crates were there
i understand that the ‘engines’ of the elvington halifax are empty units – presumably to save weight
mouchotte investigated by jan leemimg
jan leeming has a respectable record of involvement in aviation matters – her association with the YORKSHIRE AIR MUSEUM for example
quick edit of previous posting !
MICHAEL ASPEL of course – not DAVID !!!!!