
kind of reminds me of the F-14

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here is an older picture.
seems like it hasn’t changed much from 5 years ago
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/images/fcas-2016-image01.jpg
Blueshark
That is correct. There is too much fake news about China. According to the fake news everything is catching fire, everything is crashing, everything is a failure etc.
oh yeah? who said that? got a link?
French/German jet is
El Pakfa mit Delta wings
The Japanese FS-X ADV would have had the outer wing points activated for IR AAMs, plus antishipping missiles inboard. I can’t remember if it was to retain the fuselage MRAAM recesses; II think it did as I recall a model with 10 or 12 AAMs which in the pre-Flanker days seemed incredible.
The late-80s were bleak for Panavia; Italy had stopped at 100 ( declined a batch of 30 more ), the Jordanian and Turkish orders fell through and the USAFE decided against the ECR Wild Weasel.
that’s interesting, so the ADV could carry AShMs.. then that would mean they wouldn’t need the IDS version since Japan’s ground attack is more or less limited to anti shipping and anti submarine duties
After the design details of X-2 were known, USG bureaucrats could not muster a valid objection to the sale of F-35 to Japan.
I believe the F-35 sale to Japan was made before the X-2 was known
The F.35C is a case study on why adding wing area to an airframe is a terrible idea, The entire aircraft has to be designed with a specific.planform and area, The “C” suffers from massive wave drag hefting around those wings on a compact fuselage. It is not worth slightly improved sustained turn performance and stall speed for compromised performance in every other metric.
Poor US Navy. From the home of the great F-4 and F-14, they had to take the meh Super Hornet and 35C
This whole exercise is a save face for Japan to kill the X-2 project. L-M will offer what does not exist and in the end, Japan will deem any X-3 cost prohibitive and order more F-35. Sadly, based on the current situation those F-35 will cost considerably more just to save their national aerospace industry. They would be better served modifying the F-35 to Japan specific needs with input from Mitsubishi. If they are gong to pay millions more to make the aircraft in Japan, get something out of it.
Unfortunately, I think this is exactly what will happen. the F-2 was a modified F-16 and still cost a double whopper meal set. A clean sheet design will be cost prohibitive, and so will a derivative design. I guess an F-35 variant is their only solution.. unless they jump ship to whatever France/Germany, India, or Turkey produces..and I think its likely all 3 will be either vaporware or come in a timeline too far off.
Meh.. Japan should just bite the bullet and order up a F-15SE 2.0 version.
There is no need to suck their treasures dry with a new insanly costly fighter program.
of course you want Japan to go for an aircraft that can’t stand up to the Su-57 or the J-20, its immediate threats
apan had another look at the F-15 in the mid-1980s as a basis for FS-X but went with the F-16 purely on cost grounds.
They went with the F-16 because the US pressured them to, the original FS-X was an F-18 looking aircraft with canards
Most of the items that held the F-22 back were avionics in nature. If you threw all the F-35 avionics at the new plane then this would not be an issue.
how likely can Japan get the blueprints to license produce an older or failed design. like the F-22, YF-23 or X-32? I think the Spanish were able to do it with a US navy ship that lost a contract.
Lockheed Martin to Offer Japan Stealthy F-22 and F-35 Hybrid Jet (excerpt)
here it is!


Interesting, I didn’t know the Tornado was even offered to Japan. The IDS and ADV combo would have been great for Japan since their Air Force is more or less doing just two things.. interception and maritime strike.. exactly what the Tornado twins excelled at.
the ADV would have looked great in Japanese colors (couldn’t find any what pics for that one)
multiple reports of Pakistan’s serious consideration of acquiring Su-35s and more Mi-35s from Russia.
Part of this is due to some disappointment with Chinese equivalents and the desire to diversify away from US equipment as Pakistani-US relations continue to decline.
Should they succeed, Pakistan will end up having the superior Flanker version over India!
I guess if FGFA/Su-57 falls through, Russia can count on plan B with Pakistan.
300 F-35s
in contrast about 180 Rafales so far.
impressive
but also sad, Rafale deserves more orders
^ aren’t there more F-35s in service now than the Rafale?
I was surprised it happened so fast, given how long the Rafale has been out
you should read swiss evaluations.. the gripen C couldn’t perform some of the tests because of lack of bingo fuel before finishing, which is why it scored insufficiently.
irrelevant. Gripen E is being considered not C.
Brigadier General Rashed Al Shamsi, deputy commander of the UAE AF & AD, described the need to strengthen the UAE’s air capacity during a briefing at the Dubai air show, explaining that the Air Force “required connected multi-role platforms with the ability to share data, which had enhanced intelligence collection and distribution capabilities, and that was capable of timely and reactive dynamic targeting.” This, he said, meant that “to have a fifth-generation capability is something of interest to the UAE Air Force and Air Defence,” noting that he had “heard that the United States could now be willing to sell the UAE the F-35.”
The UAE Air Force and Air Defence has seen the advantages of fifth generation aircraft at first hand, training and exercising with USAF F-22As and F-35As on numerous occasions, both in the USA and in the UAE itself. It has watched as regional rivals have acquired the kind of advanced, ‘double-digit’ SAMs and integrated air defence systems that threaten the survivability of ‘conventional’ fourth generation fighters and that make Low Observable aircraft worth their weight in gold!
The UAE could use the F-35A as a powerful intelligence gathering platform, even during peacetime training missions. F-35As could also provide an invaluable deterrent against any overt Iranian aggression, since they would be able to mount limited retaliatory air strikes, without necessarily having to mount a major air campaign to take down all enemy air defences.
Staff Major General Pilot Abdullah Al Hashimi, Assistant Undersecretary for Support Services in the UAE Ministry of Defence, explained that: “We in the UAE already live in a fifth generation environment and have a fifth generation mindset; so acquiring the F-35 fighter jet is just a step forward.”
Any Emirati F-35 purchase would be limited to the purchase of two squadrons of F-35As (24 aircraft), at least in the first phase. This would require a major restructuring of the UAE AF & AD, perhaps requiring the procurement of a second aircraft type. A specialized committee is assessing the risks, threats and needs of the air force and to work out how a future fighter force might look.
The UAE has continued to consider a range of re-equipment plans, including the acquisition of advanced fourth generation fighters instead of, or augmenting F-35As. These options include the Dassault Rafale and the Eurofighter Typhoon (now in service or on order with four of the six GCC air forces). In the meantime, contracts have been placed with Lockheed Martin and Thales for upgrades to the Lockheed Martin F-16E/F Desert Falcons and Dassault Mirage 2000-9s now in service.
If negotiations are eventually successful, the United Arab Emirates would become the first GCC nation to operate a Low Observable, fifth generation combat aircraft. Though other air forces in the region hope to persuade the USA to supply F-35As, it would seem unlikely that a UAE purchase would necessarily lead to approval for other requests.
eh.. what airplane is supposed to supplement the UAE F-35s? the UAE seem to want to operate one of everything.
ill say this, I think the US will trust the UAE with F-35 more than Turkey.
Indonesia to withdraw from KF-X programme
The Indonesian Government has announced its intention to withdraw from the KF-X programme citing concerns over its costs and capabilities.
South Korea is developing the KF-X in partnership with Indonesia, which has agreed to fund 20 percent of the development costs of the aircraft. The South Korean Air Force intends to buy more than 100 KF-X jets once production starts in the mid 2020s, while Indonesia is interested in purchasing about 50 aircraft. However, as Defense News previously reported, Indonesia had fallen behind on its payments and might be forced to drop out of the program due to fiscal constraints.
Indonesia has reportedly contributed IDR 1.6 trillion since they joined in July 2010 – but that’s just $165 million of the DAPA’s estimated WON 6 billion (about $5.5 billion) development cost, and there’s good reason to believe that even this development budget is too low.