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  • February 15, 2011 at 9:38 pm in reply to: Aero India 2011 #2343374
    eagle1
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    Very nice rafale picture from front :

    http://www.airliners.net/photo/1867131/L/

    February 15, 2011 at 5:57 pm in reply to: Rafales for Brasil #4, Cachorro-quente! #2343656
    eagle1
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    I quite agree with Loke on this one.

    After the end of the cold war the US want a near hegemony on modern fighter jets.

    With the price of the Euro and an icreasingly hard competition with political, offset and ToT factors it is indeed more difficult to get a deal. The big opened competitions like the MMRCA or Brazil seems endless.

    It must be noted that many recent exports were state to state deals with no real competitions.

    February 15, 2011 at 12:30 pm in reply to: Rafale's RBE2 AESA pic and news! #2343996
    eagle1
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    Loke, are you naive enough to believe that an email is proving anything…They will give you just like for swerve mail the same answer that they would give in the press. You show this mail as a trophy but it doesn’t invalidate the fact that those rounded figures can hide a difference and doesn’t bring anything new to the current debate. You can’t hide behind this e-mail. All this speculation is funded on air. The ony thing certain is that the rafale is the first Eurocanard to get an operational AESA.

    February 15, 2011 at 12:01 pm in reply to: Rafale's RBE2 AESA pic and news! #2344023
    eagle1
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    Brazil didnt evalute the radar.

    Well an outsider (for one) called pepe Rezende who had access to the evaluation (I guess you know who he is) was pretty clear about that. And I am sure you know what I am talking about.
    As for the indian comment it was just posted a few days ago and I am sure you have read it.

    Selex and Saab have the most AESA experience in Europe and know what they are doing. They both export AESA radars to both USA and France mind you. Gripen NG is designed with added cooling and electricity in mind for the new sensor suite. That is no problem.

    This is a personnal and subjective argument which has no value. everyone claim to be the best. Fact is Thales has the lead in Figher AESA compared to selex in this particular case.

    I have asked SAAB if there was any truth to rumours on a Raven radar with less than 1000 TRM’s and they said there is no chance whatsoever that the radar being offered will have less than 1000 TRM’s. I got it in writing.

    You may have asked them but there is no reason for them to answer anything different than in the press. I believe 1000 is a rounded figure and no one has count theexact number of modules yet. Could be sales pitch just like you believe that Thales did.

    This and this RBE2 AESA has the same low TRM count. Are they both mockups?

    Can you prove me it is the real radar ? No. Just to point out that all this debate from aviation nerds is funded on air.

    February 15, 2011 at 11:42 am in reply to: Rafale's RBE2 AESA pic and news! #2344034
    eagle1
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    Statement were not vague at all and in a former DSI issue they said that the RBE2 AESA woul have a bit more than 1000 modules.

    I think it is perfectly appropriate and honest to ask for the exact number of modules for the selx radar as many are trying to compare.

    And about getting exited just look the beginning of this thread…It is the other side of the debate that started all this rent and kept arguing. The fact that the AESA RBE2 radar is ready now is a very good news for the rafale. I think it is the other side which is worried. Especially when a few days before you had an indian article quoting an indian officer telling that Selex (gripen) radar is the least developped of all contenders. I believe it was for some a way to reassure themselves. They spend all their energy to try to turn a good news in a bad news;)

    And one should not be hypocrite…Everyone knows how this forum works. There is a piece of information and all the fanboys (and 90% of people here are fanboys so this is hardly an insult) jump in and start arguing.

    February 15, 2011 at 11:19 am in reply to: Rafale's RBE2 AESA pic and news! #2344051
    eagle1
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    If we assume the RBE2 radar have 840 modules which is only a speculation, you have to take into account that the RBE2 AESA was always marketed as a 1000 AESA modules by Thales or Dassault. Why would Selex be different ?

    You cannot find any conclusive answers. The only solution would be to apply the same method to Selex Radar otherwise it is pretty unfair I believe. There is too much uncertainty :

    -is the rafale radar in the photo a real one or a mockup for confidential reason ?
    -Does Selex 1000 modules radar really have 1000 modules ? If we assume that the marketed RBE2 radar actually has 840 modules when they say “1000” you can rightfully ask the same question for Selex…
    -What are the other way to detremine a radar performance ? counting the number of modules is certainly too restrictive.

    So my point is that this debate is funded on nothing really tangible. The only thing certain is that some people here feel pretty unsecure/envious/jealous with the RBE2 AESA radar being ready…What an honor to be given so much attention for a radar 😉

    February 15, 2011 at 11:00 am in reply to: Rafale's RBE2 AESA pic and news! #2344092
    eagle1
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    I doubt that Selex radar will have exactly 1000 modules so every one is giving a “rounded” figure for marketing/confidentiality reasons. One should be as demanding and wait to count the actual number of modules of the raven radar ! I bet is that some could be disappointed. If I recall well raven modules were hidden behind a red plastic cover when shown to the public….Perhaps they fear to give the real number !

    Beside with only one engine there are certainly other limitations for the future gripen radar in terms of electricity production. The raven radar was also deemed as the “least developped” by the indian and “doubts about the performance” during the Brazilian eveluation. No wonder there is some jealousy over the RBE2 AESA:p : It is ready for delivery now. The fact that the French air force wait due to budget constraint is a different reason.

    And I agree that nothing prove that the radar shown is the actual radar. This is only speculation here.

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