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  • in reply to: Lockerbie bomber to be released on compassionate grounds #1899737
    Creaking Door
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    …I fail to see where the connection with Libya comes in all this. It is fact that the bomb maker was Jordanian with German links – would Libya have been served in anyway by this? I doubt it!

    But Libya did accept responsibility for bringing-down Flight 103.

    However the reason for this may have been to get sanctions against Libya lifted; getting sanctions lifted was certainly one of the conditions of Libya paying some of the money paid to families of the victims of Lockerbie.

    in reply to: Lockerbie bomber to be released on compassionate grounds #1900155
    Creaking Door
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    Interesting comment but the deterrent part is patently untrue.

    But that list only covers the terrorists that weren’t deterred…..not the ones that were. :diablo:

    in reply to: General Discussion #317406
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    Interesting comment but the deterrent part is patently untrue.

    But that list only covers the terrorists that weren’t deterred…..not the ones that were. :diablo:

    in reply to: General Discussion #317687
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    I hear all the arguments…..that Megrahi was a “scapegoat” etc, that he was acting for the Libyan regime…

    Whether he was a scapegoat or not, he was the only person convicted in a Scottish court of this atrocity. Sadly, it would appear that other people/organsiatons were also guilty – but we do not have the chance to put them on trial.

    For me this is the crux of the matter; how far was Megrahi actually responsible for the deaths of 270 innocent people?

    If he did indeed plant the bomb he must bear some of the responsibility but if he was acting under orders as an agent of the Libyan intelligence services and Libya has accepted responsibility then those most responsible have not, and will not, be brought to justice.

    I think Megrahi was handed-over by Libya but did Libya do so while still denying his involvement? Megrahi still maintains his innocence but if Libya has accepted responsibility then surely Libya should be able to say if Megrahi planted the bomb, or if he didn’t, who did.

    If Libya did want to end its isolation then surely the least that could be expected by the families of the victims is the truth about how, and by whom, their relatives lives were taken, after all surely the ‘hard bit’ is admitting responsibility in the first place?

    in reply to: Lockerbie bomber to be released on compassionate grounds #1900370
    Creaking Door
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    I hear all the arguments…..that Megrahi was a “scapegoat” etc, that he was acting for the Libyan regime…

    Whether he was a scapegoat or not, he was the only person convicted in a Scottish court of this atrocity. Sadly, it would appear that other people/organsiatons were also guilty – but we do not have the chance to put them on trial.

    For me this is the crux of the matter; how far was Megrahi actually responsible for the deaths of 270 innocent people?

    If he did indeed plant the bomb he must bear some of the responsibility but if he was acting under orders as an agent of the Libyan intelligence services and Libya has accepted responsibility then those most responsible have not, and will not, be brought to justice.

    I think Megrahi was handed-over by Libya but did Libya do so while still denying his involvement? Megrahi still maintains his innocence but if Libya has accepted responsibility then surely Libya should be able to say if Megrahi planted the bomb, or if he didn’t, who did.

    If Libya did want to end its isolation then surely the least that could be expected by the families of the victims is the truth about how, and by whom, their relatives lives were taken, after all surely the ‘hard bit’ is admitting responsibility in the first place?

    in reply to: Lockerbie bomber to be released on compassionate grounds #1900381
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    So one guy decides to undo all the work of the people who took 2 decades to bring this to trial. Sorry that’s not justice.

    For me the answer is simple, if you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime.

    Whether he was guilty or not, he was still found guilty by the Scottish Justice system.

    Regards,

    An American

    Sorry, but those statements lead me to believe you have no idea of the concept of justice. :confused:

    in reply to: General Discussion #317697
    Creaking Door
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    So one guy decides to undo all the work of the people who took 2 decades to bring this to trial. Sorry that’s not justice.

    For me the answer is simple, if you can’t do the time, don’t do the crime.

    Whether he was guilty or not, he was still found guilty by the Scottish Justice system.

    Regards,

    An American

    Sorry, but those statements lead me to believe you have no idea of the concept of justice. :confused:

    in reply to: General Discussion #319655
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    And how many of the 30years of his sentence did he serve…

    Well, I was surprised that he had been in prison since 2001 so he has served more than eight years since returning from Brazil.

    There has been speculation I think that the sentences for the Great Train Robbery were quite high at 30 years. Not sure if they were the same for every gang member?

    Still I don’t have much sympathy for criminals bitching that life isn’t fair!

    in reply to: Robber Biggs granted prison release #1901498
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    And how many of the 30years of his sentence did he serve…

    Well, I was surprised that he had been in prison since 2001 so he has served more than eight years since returning from Brazil.

    There has been speculation I think that the sentences for the Great Train Robbery were quite high at 30 years. Not sure if they were the same for every gang member?

    Still I don’t have much sympathy for criminals bitching that life isn’t fair!

    in reply to: Lockerbie bomber to be released on compassionate grounds #1901545
    Creaking Door
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    But was Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi actually ‘responsible’ for the deaths of 270 innocent people?

    Libya has, I think, accepted responsibility for the bombing of Pan-Am flight 103 and Megrahi was a member of Libyan intelligence acting under orders.

    I’m not condoning this, or any other, act of terrorism but is the right man rotting in jail?

    in reply to: General Discussion #319679
    Creaking Door
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    But was Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed Al Megrahi actually ‘responsible’ for the deaths of 270 innocent people?

    Libya has, I think, accepted responsibility for the bombing of Pan-Am flight 103 and Megrahi was a member of Libyan intelligence acting under orders.

    I’m not condoning this, or any other, act of terrorism but is the right man rotting in jail?

    in reply to: General Discussion #319680
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    …the police have wasted thousands of pounds trying to get him back to serve his time…

    Let’s imagine that you’re fifty-seven years old and going about your business (say driving a Mail Train) when some of a gang of fifteen ‘professional criminals’ break-in and beat you over the head with a blunt object. They hold you hostage and force you to help them steal millions of pounds and while you’re not actually killed in the attack you never work again and suffer headaches (and probably nightmares) for the rest of your life.

    One of the gang is caught but escapes after serving only fifteen months of his sentence.

    So, would you want the British Police to ‘waste’ thousands of pound trying to recapture this man or would you hope that he ‘writes his memoirs so he earns some cash for his family’?

    in reply to: Robber Biggs granted prison release #1901548
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    …the police have wasted thousands of pounds trying to get him back to serve his time…

    Let’s imagine that you’re fifty-seven years old and going about your business (say driving a Mail Train) when some of a gang of fifteen ‘professional criminals’ break-in and beat you over the head with a blunt object. They hold you hostage and force you to help them steal millions of pounds and while you’re not actually killed in the attack you never work again and suffer headaches (and probably nightmares) for the rest of your life.

    One of the gang is caught but escapes after serving only fifteen months of his sentence.

    So, would you want the British Police to ‘waste’ thousands of pound trying to recapture this man or would you hope that he ‘writes his memoirs so he earns some cash for his family’?

    in reply to: Lazy Brits??? #1901689
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    http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25912184-5005961,00.html

    British too lazy to have sex!

    Dr Sarah Dauncey said “…a whole generation will become too unfit to perform even the most rudimentary of tasks.”

    Romance is obviously not dead at the Nuffield Health Organisation! 😀

    in reply to: General Discussion #319962
    Creaking Door
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    http://www.news.com.au/heraldsun/story/0,21985,25912184-5005961,00.html

    British too lazy to have sex!

    Dr Sarah Dauncey said “…a whole generation will become too unfit to perform even the most rudimentary of tasks.”

    Romance is obviously not dead at the Nuffield Health Organisation! 😀

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