…paulmcmillan please do not post here if that is all you can offer.
Aircraft type, mark, serial, (correct location name), date and cause of loss…..three hours, forty-seven minutes! :p
§ Mr. Purbrick Is it not evident that if the policy of not bombing any civilians Germany was carried out, we should not be able to carry through our policy of bombing their war production plants, and thereby our war effort would be absolutely nullified?
When reading about the Hamburg raids of July 1943 I was quite shocked to find that no attempt whatsoever was made to target ‘war production plants’ and that aiming-points were selected specifically so that bombing fell on civilian residential areas that would result in the highest possible civilian casualties.
It seems that some in Britain in October 1943 were labouring under a false impression also.
…allied aircrew bombed strategic targets, albeit ones (some of which) were located in populated areas.
And some in Britain in 2009.
Find out who authorised the first raid aimed purely at civilians.
Taken in isolation the deliberate targeting of civilians by Bomber Command is unethical…..but only if taken in isolation.
The Nazis began murdering civilians in Poland as soon as the war began. Special units formed for the purpose (as well as regular troops), acting to plans drawn up before the war, were responsible so there can be no suggestion that these were collateral deaths.
German civilians, unconnected with the armaments industry, could have been evacuated to safety but this would have put an enormous strain on the German war effort. Effectively the German leadership was prepared to take these casualties (as was the British leadership with British casualties).
Most of the victims, most of whom were civilians, of a war that Germany started had no such luxury.
I am not sure about the aerodynamics of a glassfibre Spitfire !!
Surely the aerodynamics of a (faithful) one-to-one glassfibre Spitfire will be the same as the genuine article…
…it’s everything else that would cause problems if you tried to fly one! 😀
Whilst on the subject of Lancasters what does everyone make of this..
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390049608096&_rdc=1
Well it just made £1295!
Davis-Monthan and the long closed Litchfield Park were used for storing/scrapping aircraft since the end of WWII.
I stand corrected…..logical I suppose when very large flat areas of otherwise unproductive land are required…
…it is a pity the UK didn’t have any deserts to fill with Stirlings and Halifaxes! 😀
…I’d certainly like to see her placed under cover.
I wouldn’t worry about the LBG being under cover…..I seem to remember that her amazing state of preservation in the desert was one of the factors that led to the ‘desert boneyard’ method of aircraft storage in the US.
…I am not that technical but love new and old fighter aircraft technology…
Welcome…..the Historic Aviation forum is pretty civilised…
…but watch those guys in the Modern Military Aviation forum…..they’ll kill you! 😉
…I am not that technical but love new and old fighter aircraft technology…
Welcome…..the Historic Aviation forum is pretty civilised…
…but watch those guys in the Modern Military Aviation forum…..they’ll kill you! 😉
Certainly the documentary lays the blame fairly and squarely on the navigator…
Wasn’t the direction-finding loop that was read ‘off the back’ a ground-station? The reciprocal bearing given then (apparently) placing the Lady Be Good out over the Mediterranean when in fact she had already passed her base and was flying away from her base out into the desert.
I don’t know if it was ever more than speculation but wasn’t there some evidence of limited combat damage to the Lady Be Good?
IIRC on the Hermes a gyro-compass ‘correction’ setting was wrongly input and instead of six degrees, sixty degrees (or something of that order) were subtracted from the course set. The pilots assumed that the stand-by compass was faulty and then tried to ‘fit’ any other discrepancies into what the gyro-compass was telling them.
It reminds me of the infamous TBM Avenger ‘Flight 19’ incident and I wonder if a similar sort of mind-set wasn’t partly responsible for the scale of confusion aboard the Lady Be Good.
The ‘Lady Be Good’ is one of those cases in history that I wish I could reach out through time and space to the crew and tell them what was happening.
I can’t remember the exact details but the crew of the ‘Lady Be Good’ certainly contacted a ground station for a navigational bearing during their return flight. However the bearing that they ended up using was a reciprocal of the actual bearing they needed, and based on that, they flew on, further and further into the desert that eventually claimed their lives.
Poignantly the low-budget film Sole Survivor contains diary entries in the script that are near identical to the actual diary entries of the real doomed crew of the ‘Lady Be Good’.
Richard Basehart and William Shatner…..it’s amazing the film didn’t implode in on itself! 😀
The whole thing (in poor quality) seems to be on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6A_qNAQCGU&feature=related
Enjoy! 🙂
Sorry, that’s what I was getting at…..a Wessex 3 (XP110)…..as opposed to the Wessex 3 (Humphrey)! 😮
It’s just a pity Humphrey couldn’t have starred as himself…
…oh, and not over your head after all! 🙂
We supplied both a Wessex 3 and a Wessex 5 for this, getting fake snow out of the aircraft post filming took weeks?
They didn’t use thee Wessex 3 then? :diablo:
Thanks for the heads-up. 🙂