Interesting point Pete makes about Rorke’s Drift.
However good a film Zulu was though, it seems the truth of the event was very different to the film.
Buuuzzzzz…time for a new thread!
I’ve read that there was some incredulity amongst his fellow officers about the award of the VC to Gonville Bromhead as he was not known for his military abilities, he also apparently suffered some degree of deafness, factors that may have lead to him ‘relinquishing’ command to John Chard.
James Dalton was awarded his VC at a later date than the others who took part in the action and was apparently only awarded the medal at all after some outcry by those who credited him with being the driving force behind the fortification and successful defence of Rorke’s Drift.
Another popular misconception, perpetuated by Stanley Baker, is that most of the defenders were Welsh.
‘Zulu’ is not historically accurate, no doubt about that…but it is still an excellent film!
My great great great Uncle George took part in the battle, I still have a Zulu knife that he liberated during the conflict, the cloth sheath is stained with blood, the family used to have a shield and assegai also from that event, but they have been shamefully lost.
I’ve tried to track him down without success.
What a fantastic piece of personal history to be able to research.
The coolest hero was Bronco Layne, played by Ty Hardin…he appeared as a spy/SS US army implant in the ‘Battle of the Bulge’, then dissapeared.
Not the MP in the classic ‘Does the road to Ambileve still lead to Malmedy?’ moment?
Interesting point Pete makes about Rorke’s Drift.
However good a film Zulu was though, it seems the truth of the event was very different to the film.
Buuuzzzzz…time for a new thread!
I’ve read that there was some incredulity amongst his fellow officers about the award of the VC to Gonville Bromhead as he was not known for his military abilities, he also apparently suffered some degree of deafness, factors that may have lead to him ‘relinquishing’ command to John Chard.
James Dalton was awarded his VC at a later date than the others who took part in the action and was apparently only awarded the medal at all after some outcry by those who credited him with being the driving force behind the fortification and successful defence of Rorke’s Drift.
Another popular misconception, perpetuated by Stanley Baker, is that most of the defenders were Welsh.
‘Zulu’ is not historically accurate, no doubt about that…but it is still an excellent film!
My great great great Uncle George took part in the battle, I still have a Zulu knife that he liberated during the conflict, the cloth sheath is stained with blood, the family used to have a shield and assegai also from that event, but they have been shamefully lost.
I’ve tried to track him down without success.
What a fantastic piece of personal history to be able to research.
The coolest hero was Bronco Layne, played by Ty Hardin…he appeared as a spy/SS US army implant in the ‘Battle of the Bulge’, then dissapeared.
Not the MP in the classic ‘Does the road to Ambileve still lead to Malmedy?’ moment?
Some others worth considering:
A Fistful of Dynamite (James Coburn 1971)
The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean (Paul Newman 1972)
The Long Riders (David Carradine 1980)
Unforgiven (Clint Eastwood 1992)
The Cowboys (John Wayne 1972)
Hombre (Paul Newman 1967)
Ulzana’s Raid (Burt Lancaster 1972)
Do mini-series count?
Lonesome Dove (Robert Duval 1989)
Some others worth considering:
A Fistful of Dynamite (James Coburn 1971)
The Life and Times of Judge Roy Bean (Paul Newman 1972)
The Long Riders (David Carradine 1980)
Unforgiven (Clint Eastwood 1992)
The Cowboys (John Wayne 1972)
Hombre (Paul Newman 1967)
Ulzana’s Raid (Burt Lancaster 1972)
Do mini-series count?
Lonesome Dove (Robert Duval 1989)
Sea Fury
This was for sale on eBay a few years back…I would have bid but couldn’t have moved it. 😡
It did sell…anybody got it? 😀
Another referance shot, this is an air-air of an RAF Halifax C.Mk.VIII with pannier. Were there any differences between Halifax and Halton panniers?
http://www.raf.mod.uk/downloads/wallpapers/1946_1949/halifaxc81024.jpg
Well a Halifax Mk VI is about 71 feet (21.65m) long and the pannier in this photo is about 36% of the length of the aircraft.
So assuming the Halifax / Halton panniers are about the same they should be about 25 feet 4 inches (7.73m) long…
…give or take an inch or two! 😀
That’s a strange looking grip for the trigger hand…it doesn’t look like you could get a good hold on the weapon. :confused:
Oh…and I had noticed it was pink! 😀
Edit: Followed the link and apparently fitting this ‘MonsterMan Grip’ (as well as some other changes) allows this weapon to escape being classed as an ‘assault rifle’ in California as an unmodified AR-15 would be…interesting.
That’s a strange looking grip for the trigger hand…it doesn’t look like you could get a good hold on the weapon. :confused:
Oh…and I had noticed it was pink! 😀
Edit: Followed the link and apparently fitting this ‘MonsterMan Grip’ (as well as some other changes) allows this weapon to escape being classed as an ‘assault rifle’ in California as an unmodified AR-15 would be…interesting.
Apparently this forum has over 9000 members.
Wouldn’t it be possible to formalise some sort of forum fund for important historic purchases of this sort?
Admittedly not all members are active and many would be unwilling to contribute but some have already stated that they would be willing and those members that were possibly able to contribute more could make up for those who, for whatever reason, could not.
Maybe £2 a month to fund a ‘war chest’ for this sort of occasion.
A ‘priceless’ relic of an extinct aircraft, and a charismatic one at that, at £20,000…
…means only 2000 forum members contributing £10 each (if it sells at that price). 😮
A pipe dream maybe, but worth thinking about?
Also I fully understand that many forum members already contribute much time and money to other (more worthy) causes.
The second pics looks strange. Where is the door as seen in the first pic?
Clearly that’s t’other side.
The straight side looks even more like plywood in that photo (but not as rotten as the side in the first photo) and has lost its paint whereas the metal end has retained some paint.
The prospects for this surviving are not good then but I wonder why it lasted so long in the first place, maybe the (possible) lack of metal in its construction?
Did anybody else notice that the small trees are growing through the pannier! 😀
…the only glass used is in the front windscreens, and even thats not bullet proof.
Really…must stop getting my information from ‘Wings of the Apache’! 😀
…a few months ago a chap in work used a scrap side window from an AH64 for his garden shed…
Does he have a particular need for a bullet-proof shed? 😀
What is it made from?
Apart from the front section, the skinning looks to be plywood. Even the formers look like they could be wooden.
If it still survives it would be a shame to let it rot now.
Going back a bit further, didn’t a major museum (YAM?) recover a Hamilcar fuselage that had been in use as a garage? This would’ve been 20ish years ago now. What’s become of it since?
There was a section of Hamilcar Glider at the Tank Museum, Bovington, complete with a Tetrarch Tank that looks like this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tetrarch_tank.jpg
Sorry about the tank thing…..I’ll get me coat. 😮
The section was the load-carrying section of the fuselage which is very ‘garage-like’ so this could well be where it ended up.
Edit: I’ve found a picture of it here:
http://www.cleeveprints.co.uk/bovington/DSCF0091%20(Large).JPG
There isn’t as much Hamilcar (apparently serial TK718) as I remembered…but the tank still looks good…sorry. 😮