Part of the Tatton Biennial it seems.
From their website: “This third edition of the Biennial considers the human urge to fly, to accomplish the impossible in fragile times.”
http://www.tattonparkbiennial.org
The tail section seems to be more of a venue for performance art than simply a painting on a tail:
http://www.tattonparkbiennial.org/detail/4370/
And the Colditz glider has inspired this one:
http://www.tattonparkbiennial.org/detail/4380/
I sometimes wish contemporary artists would make the art easier to understand by us mere mortals.
Finally got some spare time and had a little play with this. Took a photo of a serial, enlarged it, printed and had a play. Not the sharpest of images to start with – which I thought might make the test fairer.
Anyway, the photo
Wrapped under the table (lined up roughly with a model)
Skewed
And enlarged. Some stray artefacts from the distortion but the numbers come back readable.
I think there is something in this technique – it requires care and other research to back it up but gives a good leg up.
What do you think?
AllanK
I do wonder if the ‘corona’ effect of the bright white serial on the black underside is leaving a trail when skewed.
I agree – I don’t know what effects are caused by that extreme skew. The only way to be sure is to test it. If somebody has a model Spitfire with a number under the wing they could photograph . . . Or, I might try and set something up. I’d be interested to know if this really works or if it is pushing it too far.
I also agree that, while I can see a ..23, K9823 is not a good candidate at all.
But what about K9923 (Thanks for the Spitfire list):
K9923 Ia 143 EA MII FF 3-4-39 72S 21-4-39 wheels up landing Church Fenton 13-7-39 rtp
Is rtp reduce to produce?
An instructional airframe is a much better candidate for being at Charing Cross but what was K9923 doing after its landing accident?
And for completeness K9973 and K9931 were also busy at squadron, so very unlikely.
Interesting – not often I look at Spitfires in this much detail.
Thanks for the hi res. I’m getting similar results from it. These are the stages, I was mostly playing in Pixelmator on a Mac but also put it into Aperture for some enhancement:
The original (reduced in size for the web) I’ve drawn on a line to show the vertical axis of the letters/numbers

Using transform-skew to distort the image to push that line back to vertical.
I know, I know, that is an awfully big distortion and likely to create other stray effects and problems but the numbers are there and lets see where it goes.
Adjust the levels – this is the subjective stage. By watching the results of playing with the sliders I can sometimes see feint marks appear which perhaps confirm whether e.g. a number is a 3 or an 8. This is a reasonable result on my computer and to my eyes.
Make it black and white. At this stage it looked to me like L2159 – but that’s a Sunderland which means I’ve been looking at too many pics of the same aircraft – again!
So I inverted the image – my final result. Screw your eyes up and all sorts of numbers appear.
There are two things I would do from here. One is to run it through various levels and curves settings and write a series of possible numbers – is that really a 9 an 8 or a 3 etc. I’ve done that and am fairly happy the last number is probably a 3
Second, using more traditional research work out which aircraft are likely to have been in a position to be used – or in a position for their port wing to be used (?) So while I think I can read K9823 I’m not an expert on Spitfires – for that I hand back to Mark12 and other Spitfire researchers.
Have fun guys
AllanK
A bit quick and dirty – I did a little lightening and altered contrast, then inverted the picture and distorted it to push the digits back to a reasonably straight appearance and this came out. Haven’t even sharpened it
Might be worth trying something similar with different settings – it is amazing how often the numbers leap out.
I take it the numbers are read from the wing tip towards the fuselage, hence I inverted it? I think I can see K9823

A row of Canberra noses.
I’ll leave it to Pagen and others to let you know which is which, ‘cos I can’t remember 😮

Cool – give him a couple of days to decide if it will be right for the museum and I can always contribute to freight costs if needed.
If he doesn’t want it Foynes would be a good home too.
Cool – give him a couple of days to decide if it will be right for the museum and I can always contribute to freight costs if needed.
If he doesn’t want it Foynes would be a good home too.
Hmm – more than one ladder on a Sunderland. I agree unlikely to be the internal one – and later Sunderlands seem to have rectangular section treads.

And then there is the tail ladder – more commonly seen on the early aircraft. I think it got deleted from the aircraft as part of early war weight saving measures.

This has the curved ends and supports – if yours show signs of being cut down from one of these then I’ll see if I can get more detail.
Certainly not Sunderland. Have one sitting in the hangar. Has curved ends and a support in the centre. Anyone want it???
I’d love it – not entirely sure where to put it. But seriously, I might know somebody who would be interested. I’ll have a word and can put you in touch.
AllanK
Hmm – more than one ladder on a Sunderland. I agree unlikely to be the internal one – and later Sunderlands seem to have rectangular section treads.

And then there is the tail ladder – more commonly seen on the early aircraft. I think it got deleted from the aircraft as part of early war weight saving measures.

This has the curved ends and supports – if yours show signs of being cut down from one of these then I’ll see if I can get more detail.
Certainly not Sunderland. Have one sitting in the hangar. Has curved ends and a support in the centre. Anyone want it???
I’d love it – not entirely sure where to put it. But seriously, I might know somebody who would be interested. I’ll have a word and can put you in touch.
AllanK
My condolences to you and the family. Difficult times.
There seems to be some sensible advice on dealing with the mustiness – just be careful about putting the books somewhere too dry or in full sunlight. If they are slightly damp and you dry them too much, hard back covers can warp – and need care to straighten.
Best wishes
AllanK
My condolences to you and the family. Difficult times.
There seems to be some sensible advice on dealing with the mustiness – just be careful about putting the books somewhere too dry or in full sunlight. If they are slightly damp and you dry them too much, hard back covers can warp – and need care to straighten.
Best wishes
AllanK
There is a 3 pages Flight article, March 11, 1926
“DURALUMIN CONSTRUCTION ON ORIGINAL LINES
Some Impressions of a Visit to the Works of Short Brothers”
describing in some detail the work on floats and the test tank is shown in a photo.
Oh, well found that man – http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1926/1926%20-%200159.html
Interesting article. There’s also a bit of a description of the floats in this one, which i found at the same time:
http://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1926/1926%20-%200220.html
And there is another book – part of Janes “Planemakers” series. Simply titled “Shorts” by Michael J H Taylor from 1984. ISBN 0710602375. Nothing on floats either but it does reproduce the sketch Horace Short made of the Wright flyer which led to the production of a batch of six license built aircraft. Anyway, it is off topic but a fascinating document. I saw it once at the RAeS. Amazing when things like that survive.
you and me both Pondskater!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I’ll give you a lift when I go. 🙂
AllanK
There is another book:
A Short History: A history of Short Bros Aircraft Activities in Kent 1908-1964. by J M Preston 1978.
Quite short 44 pages A4 format.
The section on floats is little more than a paragraph explaining how a decision in 1924 to build their own test tank lead to floats for various companies – and some Schneider Trophy racers.
The shame is that Short Brothers are always seen as an aircraft company – but in the 20s and 30s they built a lot of other things, floats, boats, buses and even a car. By the time Rochester’s seaplane works closed, they had probably built more buses than aircraft.
All the Short Brothers production archives photos for many aircraft have been transfered from Bombardier aerospace to the public records office of Northern Ireland.
Now that is good news. I had heard that they might find a new home for the archive and they found a good accessible one. I can only hope they are transferring documents as well as the photo albums. There’s a lot of stuff to catalogue but I can feel the need for a trip to Belfast.
If the undersurface color was yellow I am not able to disting the division line between the upper and under colors on the fuselage. Any suggestion about this issue?
This is a crop from the pic above to show detail – I can’t make out a difference in paint – apart from the new planing hull being tested.

But then another photo of just the hull seems to show a difference – unless it is a shadow.
At that time they were trying different planing hulls on the A.37 as a set of trials – this was a 1:15 hull with ventilation. While testing these hulls the underside of the aircraft would be worked on frequently – and repainted. it is your call on which version to model – I’m not an expert at interpreting photos.
Have fun though.