Somehow I doubt it was any of their systems, probably the thing itself glitched.
The only intriguing thing they have is those new Russian ECM systems, but I’m not so sure that could have caused the thing to land. Unless link with command was disrupted, and the drone auto landed.
It must have been the slightest of glitches then. Seems like it made a feather-like landing to me.
So far the Iranian story holds water for me.
Auto landing in Iran not likely.
I believe to have read somewhere that the radar guided Gripen cannon, is accurate enough to take out a front aspect missile.
The afterburner will give you away in IR no ?
So, is it correct to say that the F-35 will have to enter the fight subsonic, if you want to have the advantage of stealth ?
A damaged aircraft is not a combat loss. Every single F-117 that took part in the conflict, bar 82-806, flew after the conflict. All the F-117s returned to the US under their own steam. Your claim is that the actual event was published on the front page of every Norwegian paper at the time with an image of the actual event, but you were too lazy to find it in the library.
TJ
I have never claimed the aircraft was a write off. Every post i have made uses the word “damaged”
Now, a official US source brings credibility to my claim. Since your postings are based on denial and personal attacks, you are discredited.
No it doesn’t. Go back and read your posts very carefully. Your claim is that the an image of a damaged F-117 was highlighted in the Norwegian media and then covered up. Nothing of the sort took place other than your vivid imagination. The image would still be in the archives in the library. Remember the image and story that you were too lazy to retrieve? Get yourself down the library and see what you can find? If you find nothing no doubt you will be coming back with claims of a cover up story?
You wrote
http://forum.keypublishing.com/showpost.php?p=1707949&postcount=69
There were lots of dodgy images presented at that time. Le Figaro ran the story showing one of the Yugoslav MiG-29s in Bosnia as an F-117. This was already pointed out to you. Remember you are the one claiming that this image was of the actual event featured on every newspaper that day. It should be easy for you to find it in the library archives.
TJ
So now you change your story, initially you claimed no other stealth aircraft was hit. Now it is “no hit F117 was PHOTOGRAPHED”
You have no credibility left on this topic.
For the doubters out there…
A Nighthawk leak at the museum?
http://www.flightglobal.com/blogs/the-dewline/2011/06/a-nighthawk-leak-at-the-museum.html
So the U.S Airforce museum steps up to support my claim. Wonder if any of you that tried to turn the debate into personal attacks on me, are ready to apologize.
Among others there are quite a few fanatics on this board. The gospel: “if it wasn’t invented here, it does not exist”
The story about the second aircraft, has been known to me and others for more than a decade. If you only start to believe this now, there is a strong reason why you should consider yourself a fanatic.
Nonsense claim to stay polite. The UN forced an end the hardship of the civilians in mind. The UN troops are still there. The F-35 allows to bring down local AD in a much shorter time or even ignore it to some degree.
Please, do not take this the wrong way, and start flaming.
Try to forget what side you favor, and look at it objectively.
The IDF mission was to inflict substantial damage to Hezbollah, and disable their ability to shoot missiles into Israel.
This objective, was thwarted by Hezbollah, and any objective military observer, will attest to this fact.
The IDF tools i the conflict was MBTยดs and air supremacy.
Thereby proving my point : Air power alone, can not win a war.
But you also can’t win without it.
Hezbollah, proved the opposite against Israel in the last conflict in Lebanon. So, yes you can vin a war without air power.
you mean it will do what rafale has already been doing for some time? fusing all receivers information and display it in one clear picture to the pilot?
Since it was not invented in America, it does not exist.
Looking completely away from the capability of the F35, it has evolved into a cost nightmare, and must be killed for this reason.
If the USAF, USN, and USMC can only buy half of the planned numbers, there will still be more F-35 in US service than all Typhoon, Rafale, and Gripen in the entire world combined.
This is not counting the UK, Italy, Australia, Turkey, Norway, etc who will also be operating F-35.
And the US services will still be operating F-22, F-15E, and F/A-18E/F in considerable numbers.
I don’t know what you use as a measuring stick, but that seems to me to be “meaningful numbers”.
I use the same measuring stick as USAF/USN. That the F-35 is able to replace the F16/18 in US service.
The F-22 failed to replace the F-15 due to its cost in a new political climate. We are now seeing the same cost spiral hitting the F-35. The outcome is still to early to tell.
For Norway’s part, i think the best replacement for the F-16, is the F-16. Add to that a Taranis type for strike, and you may have something both cheaper and better.
No, it can’t.
It can’t do anything that it hasn’t been seen doing by every person who posts on the internet from a foreign country.
We haven’t seen it carry LGBs and drop them, so obviously it can’t do that.
We haven’t seen an F-35C actually performing an arrested landing or catapulted take-off either, so obviously it can’t do that, to the USN’s severe disappointment.
And adding to that, we haven’t seen it coming in at a price that allows for deployment in meaningful numbers.
This is the real issue.
You are not bringing anything to the discussion other than a conspiracy theory created by yourself. This major breaking news story that only you saw and that nobody else copied or recorded? Since 1999 on this forum there have been several posters over the years that have brought similar stories. Claims of ‘I saw the video tape of the wreckage on TV’, etc.
You are the one quoting ‘facts’. Facts that you believe were all covered up overnight in some sweeping conspiracy while you slept. Again this is nothing new. This tactic has been used by NATO losses believers ever since the conflict. They immediately drag out the old NATO covered everything up agenda. Bring some facts instead of a fantasy tale of conspiracy!
TJ
Fact is that censorship did happend for reasons i have no problems understanding.
Now, reading what you write, you obviously take it personally if a B-2 got hit over Yugoslavia. It is like you spent the whole time since the cold war in the trenches. You need to start taking happy pills. Get a grip. It is only a aeroplane, not the end of the world.
Never try to pull me down to your level again.
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Not true at all. I just had a look at two of the larger nationwide Norwegian papers, Dagbladet and aftenposten (links take you to the search pages I used) and had no problem finding articles from April 1999. Of course there are other Norwegian newspapers. So, what newspaper(s) is it you claim ran the article about the damaged stealth aircraft landing in Greece?
If you care to study what i wrote in previous postings. ONLINE VERSIONS OF THE ARTICLES WERE REMOVED ! YOU NEED TO LOOK AT THE PAPER VERSIONS,. THOSE YOU CAN ONLY FIND BY GOING TO THE LIBRARY AND LOOK AT THE MICROFILMS ! ๐ก
That seems like an awful lot of trouble to go to. It would seem that were there a story, there would be multiple corroborating sources. I find it inplausible that all media sources would be involved in a conspiracy to cover up a plane landing in Greece, damaged or otherwise.
No, there was no conspiracy ! The Norwegian press was under censorship due to the fact that Norwegian and allied forces were in action over Jugoslavia. All information regarding air operations was censored in fear of giving Serbs clues about allied airmen downed behind enemy lines.
This was cofirmed by every cabinet member in Norway !
In fact, they all took part in every TV-debate programe they could get their hands on !
Every opposition politician worthy of notice, took part !
Every single TV-expert was dragged out !
They all agreed on how clever the were ! ๐
If you insist on calling this an inplausible conspiracy, you need to get a grip on reality. ๐