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  • in reply to: Differences Spitfire instrument panels #1561963
    682al
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    The Mk. II/IIA clock was sometimes fitted to panels already cut out for the larger diameter Mk. III clock.

    Tha answer was the Adapter Plate, Air Ministry Stores Reference 6A/1060.

    Regards!

    in reply to: Buried Lancasters.(2004 thread) #1563278
    682al
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    Rev, you need to go back to about 1990 for the start of this story. As already pointed out, Flypast and Aeroplane Monthly featured news items about the story and it was also in the newspapers – I remember at least one printed a photo of what was supposed to be the sonar scan results, showing the ghostly outlines of what “might” have been fuselages. It was Elsham Wolds, although I think the aircraft were supposed to be in a farmers field, just off the aerodrome.

    I cannot recall the names of any individuals or organisations who were involved, but at around the same time there was a Lincolnshire group hoping to re-create a wartime bomber base, complete with Lancasters, bomb trolleys, bowsers, air and ground crew etc, etc, all in a “living history” setting….perhaps some of the same group were responsible for this story?

    As you are in Lincolnshire, why not make enquiries at East Kirkby? I’m not suggesting for one moment that the Panton family would have been involved in this escapade, but someone there might know someone who…you get the picture?

    As for my tuppence worth, I agree that something as large as a Lancaster, with all the many different materials used in its construction is extremely unlikely to have rotted away, leaving no trace. East Kirkby displays many Lancaster artifacts recovered from Lincolnshire soil by recovery groups, so its just makes no sense.

    It’s an urban legend, no make it a rural legend, and I’d love to know the full story behind it.

    If you come up with anything, let us all know!

    in reply to: Can someone explain?? #1589559
    682al
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    If the intention is to turn this thread into an appreciation of aviation art, then why not invite the guy whose work prompted the discussion, to be a part of it?

    Here’s his email address. Bring him into the debate and put your observations to him direct.

    [email]theamazinglee@hotmail.com[/email]

    In that way, comments such as…

    “Initial postings on the subject of a guy selling not terribly realistic aviation pics on e-bay….

    …Much guffawing…

    …Big move to mass vote the original artist ‘Artist of the month’ on his gallery’s web site.”…

    …can be properly considered, within the context of constructive criticism and artistic debate.

    in reply to: Strange Spit starter pushbutton #1593442
    682al
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    Hi Herbert,

    I recall someone making up a batch of replica button guards some years ago. I think they used or adapted some parts from a standard 5d/*** socket, as used on bomb carriers etc. The items are very similar if not identical.

    I had no need for one at the time but, from what I remember, they were quite well done and sold out quickly.

    I don’t know whether yours is one of these, and I can’t explain why the lettering may differ from a standard, Supermarine manufactured plate.

    As Mark 12 has pointed out, there are several components to the unit, so I guess you could dismantle it and replace the engraved plate with a properly worded one?

    Regards!

    in reply to: Music and Aircraft………. #1601228
    682al
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    Come to think of it, the long opening sequence to “Shine On” was used in a documentary about the Confederate Air Force, many years ago.

    Ah, ya gotta love the Floyd…

    in reply to: Can someone explain?? #1601960
    682al
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    Well said, Hamtech, I couldn’t have put it better!

    in reply to: Spitfire cockpit pictures #1601962
    682al
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    The photos of PL965 post-restoration are interesting but only serve to illustrate Herberts problem. The panel has been fitted with various non-authentic instruments (for very good airworthiness reasons, etc) and is not now representative of a wartime Spitfire. The same goes for most of the Spitfire cockpit photos which abound on the web (and most other warbirds, too).

    Good reference material does seem hard to come by. Pilots Notes are a good starting point but they are often heavily re-touched and detail is lost. Plus they only illustrate the one panel and leave you wondering whether panels from other contractors might have differed, or what effect mods will have had on its appearance, over time.

    For those concerned with authenticity, modellers, panel collectors, etc, it can be a real nightmare.

    I didn’t follow the thread about Spitfire wings because I have little or no interest in them, but if this Forum could unearth a few really accurate Spitfire panel lay-outs, I’m sure Herbert and l would be very grateful!

    Oh yes, I almost forgot to mention that PL965 also appears to have a most unusual spade grip on the control column. Never seen one like it before, and I wonder if it’s not a newly manufactured item because originals are so scarce?

    in reply to: Anymore scrap yard pics??? #1603037
    682al
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    Too bad you guys couldnt have acquired the cockpit section as well!?

    Storage space was always the problem. The Preservation Society wasn’t interested, so it was just two pals, having to work on student grants and low wages etc. I acquired my first Frazer-Nash turret in about 1975, and even that proved difficult to accommodate.

    Back to the B17/B26 story, I remember crawling into the B26 cockpit and heading towards the rear end. The fuselage was broken (cut) somewhere around the front spar and there was other scrap in between, but with care, you could crawl through into the next section…and so on. I eventually ended up at the rear gunners station, from where, with a torch, I could make out other sectioned fuselages going even deeper into the scrap pile. At that point, there must have been a fifty foot deep pile of scrap over my head and I began to doubt the wisdom of going any further! Often wondered what they were, though.

    Another yard that was completely cleared many years ago. Just for old times sake, we called in there a while back. Hardly any scrap left and nothing over ten years old.

    in reply to: Anymore scrap yard pics??? #1603358
    682al
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    I didn’t want to embarrass the respective pools of Liverpool and Manchester enthusiasts who for years overlooked them until ‘some bloke from the South’ sneaked up and grabbed them. (well I did really )

    It wouldn’t be the first time! The Manchester based Preservation Society never could seem to see the value of scrap.

    I recall arriving home from college (studying Newcastle Brown Ale at the time), at Christmas, in about 1971/2, and making the usual enquiries of the Preservation Society…

    “Anything new turned up?”

    “Oh nothing much, just a DC3 nose in a yard in Warrington”

    “Really, I’d like to go and see it?”

    “Oh, it’s hardly worth the trip. It’s completely shot, you can push your finger through the skin.”

    A day or two later, me and my pal are staring at a front fuselage, upside down in a large puddle, trying to work out what it is.

    DC3 it isn’t, as it seems to have had a plexi-glass nose. While still pondering it, a shower passed over us. The rain had the effect of temporarily reviving the almost faded, olive drab paint finish. Then, a row of red bombs and the remains of nose art started to appear…it was a B17, and there was a B26 close by!

    We went back on New Years Eve, tooled up to do some serious souvenir grabbing. We spent a freezing, miserable day trying to remove the control columns from the B17.

    By the time we’d succeeded it was almost dark and we began to worry that maybe the yard had closed and forgotten about us. We made our way back to the hut, to find everyone inside and already well into celebrating the New Year.

    When the boss saw the state of us, he glanced at the columns and said:

    “Give us a quid and b*gger off.”

    We happily obliged!

    (And we went back later and got the B26 throttle box).

    The sections eventually ended up at Duxford, I believe, but were scrapped (again) some time later. Can anyone remind me of their identities as I’ve mislaid the notes I kept at the time?

    Here’s a poor photo of one of the B17 columns, with a B24 wheel perched on top for comparison.

    in reply to: Music and Aircraft………. #1603702
    682al
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    I’ll go with Clannad/Theme from Harry’s Game/Vulcan. As I recall, the music finished as the Vulcan arrived overhead (you wouldn’t really have been able to hear it after then, anyway).

    From a quick Google, part of the lyrics translate as:

    “I will go east and go west

    [To the places] from whence came

    The moon and the sun”

    Spooky and appropriate, in a V-Force sort of context.

    And the Gliders/Pink Floyd routine was nice too.

    Oh yes, and Moonlight Sonata seems to be a favourite piece of music to link to any wartime footage of Bomber Command, very moving.

    in reply to: Anymore scrap yard pics??? #1603739
    682al
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    The scrapyard owners name was Sam B.

    When you’d finished digging around his yard and you presented him with a pathetic pile of bits (this was after the S**fires had been removed), he’d charge you £1 for the bits and £1 for the fun you’d had.

    A very nice bloke, and another yard that’s sadly now completely gone.

    in reply to: The Cockpit Thread #1604316
    682al
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    OO-err, it seems that if you preview your reply, you lose the image attached to it….

    in reply to: The Cockpit Thread #1604345
    682al
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    Oh what the heck, here’s a bit more Mossie stuff…the bomber/p.r. yoke and a throttle box.

    The instructors stick in the Mk. III (right hand seat) differed slightly from the usual fighter type stick, but it’s too cold to go out into the garage to get a photograph of that one!

    in reply to: The Cockpit Thread #1604358
    682al
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    Here’s a Mosquito stick (top half), of the type fitted to the Night-fighter/Fighter bomber versions, with the twin electric gun-firing button.

    regards,

    682al

    in reply to: The Cockpit Thread #1612575
    682al
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    Now this SHOULD cause some headscrathing among the warbirders. Old Warden, lat year for a clue…

    Tipsy Trainer….?

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