you honestly think the Pakistanis arnt going to be using money for these jets??? What about fuel, repairs, maintanence, pilot training, airfield operations costing??? You think these planes will fly themselves?? There is no easy get out for those who defend the Pakistani goverment because its clear as daylight whats going on. Like i say next quake we’ll see a ton of money heading thier way only for it to be blown on weapons and what not. Great people im sure!

Rofl, giant big mac – i like your line of thinking there. I seriously wonder if Irans air defense could come up with anything better! (snickering). Guess its all up to Allan pbuh (rofl).

I see ghosts, no wait sorry wrong forum.Seriously though i see Lynx’s alot, about 1 a day if thats alot lol, Seakings but mainly the red and white boring sea rescue ones, Merlins very occasionally like once every month maybe. Apache seen about twice, oh Chinnoks about once a month often two at once. Saw a Hawkeye about 2 years or maybe year and a half ago. Red arrows used to see quite often during summer months years ago but not so often these days it seems. Never ever seen a RAF puma which is odd lol. Had a jaguar go over about 3 years ago and that was the last fast mover i saw i think. Concorde was cool cos it used to shake all the windows in the house when it used to fly over to America and i guess where i lived we were still in the ‘shock area’ if you get me cos the pressures would rumble and rattle the whole house – was very cool and used to be almost every night at about 9ish from memory when i was younger. Oh that plane that drops the red devil parachuters every year for a fete but they always always land about 3 miles off rather worryingly lol. Some of you lot are so lucky to see all the stuff you do. Worst thing is being in a factory at work and hearing a fast jet but not being able to see it – had that quite a few times and you ask people what it was and they say things like ‘it was very loud’ or ‘it went real fast’ – even had a guy last year say ‘oh thats a Vulcan Bomber you can tell by its engines without doubt its a vulcan’ oh how we laughed at that one!

this thread should be renamed how to bring down about 20 b-2’s and hundreds of other jets. be a foolish guy who dedicated all his resources into shooting down a B-2 when he could have 100 times more of a chance shooting down conventianal jets. Be no good wasting all your time looking for one phantom b-2 when you got f-16’s,18’s and 15’s all prowling overhead targeting at will.

oh christ a Hersh article, full of unnamed sources and ex-officials speaking on condition of anomity no doubt. somethings never change lol.

‘Osama seems to be OK despite all of the power of the US…’ Man thats the funniest thing i’ve heard all week – the guys probably earthworm developemnt mate, if not not exactly a great leader eh , running scared and of little or no actual use to anybody! Wow just wow.

Expect Iranian assets to be shifted in areas such as schools, mosques, hospitals and other ‘sensitive’ places like Saddam did too – thats gonna make life alot more difficult for coalition targeting of air defense assets. It would seem that type of stunt is the sort that could get him a lucky hit one night – maybe wheel out a network of air defense assets from the local univerity one night say 1 month into the war and cause havoc for an hour or too then duck back inside the public buildings. Shop fronts too with armoured vehicals backed into them, ok so mobile missle systems aint small but you get the idea, play cat and mouse and hide back in your sneaky hole before the overhead aircraft get a fix on you. Might not stop em all toghether but sure would cause headaches.

i always felt 111 was more of a straticic level asset and the 24 more of a tactical battle level of ops if you get me , i’d say tornado to su24 yeah but not sure on 111 to su24, are they really that closely matched?