Very well put Andy…that is something that annoys me at times about forums like these, the armchair critics. Someone has taken the time to get off their backside and investigate, hopefully identify, a previously unknown crash. I hope the pilot escaped unharmed but if he didn’t then then they will certainly help give some closure to family. It seems that some people think it is not worth investigating if there is a chance of finding a complete recognisable aircraft….
‘Rumours exist so that people can prove/disprove them and not just speculate’
not sure if it is classed in the same category as the thread was intended but Tangmere Museum recovered the remains of DN293 from Pagham harbour in the 80’s but the remains were sent to the scrap man years after ( from the photographs I have seen the cockpit would have done wonders for the project I am working on )…..the Sabre was recovered as well but not sure what happened to it. If Tangmere1940 reads this, was there anything left of the wing spars when you originally recovered it?
I have also seen reference to the RAF scrapping the last complete Typhoon in the 1950’s before realising they actually had none left now!!! It was a composite from a number of airframes but I think it retained a serial number in the DN range.
There were some problems with domain names. ..sorted for .Co. UK so site back up. Still working on .com
Thanks again Ross
I wonder where all the Hawker drawing archives are? I’d like to find a drawing for this machine.
The machine you see in the picture was reverse engineered from photographs and some original rolls that were found (in South Africa I believe). As far as I am aware there are no surviving hawker drawings for the squaring machine but the drawings do survive for the standard rolls, I would love to be proved wrong on the machine drawings as it will save me some time that I am spending re-drawing!!
The project is still ongoing and they are currently working on the Main spars, many many sub assemblies have also been completed. I used to do the web site but as I couldn’t change it at the drop of a hat (work, children etc etc) someone else took it over. Looks like they may have as much time as I did and I am not even sure if they realise it has lapsed.
I will ask some questions and try to find out why (Ken may know more than me).
There is a mixture there…125484 is tempest (all mk) firewall attachment. The 95000 range site in the tornado/typhoon range and anything in the 60000 range can be any of the later hawker biplane range
P.s. The plates didn’t do too much apart from give the pilots a little more confidence as some tails were still lost with the plates in place…The plates were left even when the elevator issues were corrected as it would be difficult to convince pilots that it was OK to remove them.
The tail problem (elevator issues) was solved and I believe came about because it was the first aircraft to regularly encounter +500 mph speed and it’s associated effects. The engine and airframe were effectively tested in service which unfortunately lead to tragic results in some circumstances. The tempest benefitted from the in service testing that the typhoon completed. This does not detract from the fact that mn235 is special and i believe should be treated as such.
Hi Ian. …will reply to you when I am home but you may be disappointed with measurements if she actually makes it out there…..The conservation work I being done here as we speak. She isn’t bad after 40 years on display… I hope to get some basic measurements of the wings soon but they are not being pulled apart…There are other means though 🙂
What’s so special about the typhoon? Apart from the only complete (known) survivor out of over 3300 built? Apart from the fact it used a unique engine and perhaps the most powerful piston one at that? Apart from the first aircraft to suffer from the effects of +500 mph with an airframe that could survive the stress? Well a search of ‘raf ground attack’ or ‘2nd tactical airforce’ on the Web should highlight some reasons why she is special….However THE most important is the crews..and the ‘why so special’ comment is the sole reason that I have been working for the last 14 years to do my little bit to to help people remember the crews…..I suppose it isn’t a spitfire though 🙁 I wish I could do more to educate people…one day I will get a second typhoon together
Being a typhoon ‘nut’ (as my family quite often say!) I actually have to give the museum a round of applause for even considering loaning the typhoon to canada for an event it obviously has planned (not sure what but could it have anything to do with dieppe?). I try and do my bit to highlight what the pilots and crew achieved at a very high cost but i would never have thought it would be possible to do something on this scale in canada…..I really do hope it achieves everything they want it to, it will be a success if just one person takes the time to find out what the typhoon crews did.
Assuming it happens I hope they are very careful with her 🙂 I know she is big but very delicate, having said that after sitting for 40 years she is in remarkable condition!!!
I did have thought the other day (i realise that is dangerous but you never know someone of influence may be reading), as some of the panels are repros they actually have roland beaumonts panel from R7752….it would be great to see that in place complete with the artwork!!
It does a bit actually and the photograph beneath looks like it has skewered a tree!
I am almost certain it is a cannon…looks like the example on the left. I didn’t really make out what was in the picture until you said ‘skewered a tree’, what an interesting picture.
http://spitfiresite.com/2010/04/spitfire-the-hispano-cannon.html
Can’t get an idea of scale but does that look suspiciously like an Hispano cannon in the church museum? Look like some remains of aluminium fairing towards the front…
I had seen this one on the web before but not too much information about any particular exhibits. I sent a mail and a letter but no reply. I had heard of some typhoon parts rumoured to be in a museum in the falaise area but never been able to confirm it.
thanks for the replies so far guys
Has anybody actually received formal confirmation from the RAFM that it is going to Canada for a time on loan?
If not – it might just be internet speculation or a half-heard comment about something that was being considered and subsequently dismissed.
It has been brought up from Hendon to be prepared for loan. There seems to be a little bit of work being completed on it but I have been told the current plan is for it to go (unless there is a big fall out politically of course 🙂 ). I have heard that it could spend a couple of years over there. It is likely to be sent by transport rather than ship so isn’t flying the safest for of travel?
I am one of those people who would prefer to see the Typhoon in the air where it belongs, there is a huge risk in that but I personally would like to see that risk being taken so that my children and many thousands like them fully appreciate what these guys (and the aircraft) did for us. This will never happen to MN235 but perhaps one day RB396 may 🙂 A huge debt is owed to the canadiens and as much as I hate to see MN235 leave the country, for even a short period, it is the least we can do to help educate people and show the kids what their Grandparents/Great Grandparents did.