I must admit to not finding this news item overly upsetting today

Moggy

:rolleyes: That’s 3 points off of your credibility as a human being.

Mrs Moggy shouted, “Where’s the Toyota?”

How many other, ahem, ‘classic’ cars do you posess?:diablo:

I trust your Bugatti is still safely locked away?:D

That’s what they said about mans attempts to fly!!

😀 Exactly what may father remembers as a child, he was born in 1895, a month before Reginald Mitchell.

I remember when it was believed impossible that a manned aircraft could ever break the sound barrier and find it odd that people still live who don’t believe anything possible.

That’s life.

I’d say that’s close enough.
The M-125 looks very similar:
http://www.airport-data.com/aircraft/photo/213766.html

I did not like the fact that RJ Mitchell was deemed by some to have nicked another’s ideas which is NOT the case.

The word ‘nicked’ wasn’t used by me.

In aeroengineering (particularly the 20s-40s), there is/was no such thing as nicking someone else’s ideas…

I don’t agree with your use of the word nicking.
The way forward would have been much slower if engineers had struggled with only their own ideas.
It’s well known that Siegfried Günter was sent to the USA to find out what was happening in the aeronautics field there.

As you well know I am a great admirer of the great man, to claim or hint he stole the idea from a German designer whose designs went a long way to propping up an evil regime is a bit poor IMHO.

I am also a great admirer of the same man, but I wouldn’t dare suggest that anyone did anything other than work for their company and the country they lived in, whether or not it was eventually overtaken by an ‘evil regime’ that has nothing to do with anything and is an unnecessary comment.

Credit where credit is due is laudable, however, George Cayley or Otto Lillienthal probably deserve more credit than Mister Heinkel! 🙂

Heinkel employed designers and engineers who produced aircraft and deserves little credit, other than that he owned the company and made it all possible.

If you believe Cayley and Lilienthal deserve more credit, I’d be the first to agree, these historic names might just have easily been, Blanc, Jones, Smith or even Wright?;)

What has amazed me most about this thread thus far, is the vast number of airfoil experts that exist.

One particular topic that has been repeated quite often, is a reference to the need for an elliptical wing to pack all the goodies into.
One example here:

Mitchell went to an elliptical wing when the armament was increased from four to eight Brownings, in order to get the extra guns in outboard. The looks were a bonus.

I know that the Hurricane had a thicker wing, but Hawker managed to squeeze all they needed into it a while before Supermarine did, including eight machine guns and retractable u/c.

I won’t bother to mention that the Hurri’s u/c was a little more forgiving than old Spitty’s.

NB: I’m still working on the next (impossible) challenge!:diablo:

Does that mean that he never designed it then?

Unfair comment, sir, you could at least have the decency to do more than simply mention a six engined flying boat?

All this had been noted, albeit not in graphic form, so the only reason this was protracted was that you wouldn’t believe what a number of people were telling you was contained in any number of references.

A (certified) picture speaks a thousand words.

It would be good if you had the grace to acknowledge that Shenstone was not trying to cover nicking the design.

When I have completed my investigation and satisfied myself that all is factual, I might just do that.