But do you want to be proud of something?

Not at all, I learned a long time ago that pride comes before a fall.

Yes, an accident of birthplace but ask people from any other country and they’ll usually give you a list a long as your arm.

😀 This I’m fully aware of, there are flag wavers everywhere, but they’re mostly misguided.

Ask the British, or more specifically the English, and most of us struggle to come up with anything.

Ask me, I’m English, I did 50 years there, (probably for my past life sins) but it isn’t my fault, I blame my parents.:D

How much long will it take before the brainwashed take note of some recent changes?

Global temperatures have dropped so much since January 2007 that all evidence of warming over the last 30 years has completely vanished. The Pacific Decadal Oscillation has turned cool again and, if history is any indicator, this means global temperatures will continue to fall. Despite an 800% increase in carbon emissions, global temperatures have dropped about 0.3 degrees Celsius since 2005.

http://www.skepticsglobalwarming.com/global-warming-myth/global-cooling/evidence-manmade-global-warming-exist/

Being convinced of something is fine, but to ignore any evidence that what you believe in might be wrong is lunacy.

Edit: And by the way, being in the majority doesn’t make anything right, look at how well Britain is doing under ZanuLabor?

Of course, you could be wrong.

Couldn’t you?

Absolutely, but so could all those clever scientists, not to mention your goodself?

:rolleyes:

Nice one Moggy, in true moderator style.:D

I didn’t mention Al Gore – but yet you feel it necessary to attack his lifestyle, not the evidence for his campaigns.

What evidence that hasn’t been refuted?

Moving on, we’ll leave the IPCC behind for now

Good thinking, who would rely on the word of a body of people who are in it solely for their salaries, few of whom are climate scientists, BTW?

and go back to some key arguments being put forward:

You say that CO2 is not responsible for Global Warming
See The Royal Society’s guide to Climate Change

The Royal Society, which has been at the forefront of science for three and a half centuries, feels the science of climate change has reached a point where they are attacking misleading statements – not merely hosting a debate. That itself is a powerful argument.
See also:
Global Warming is caused by the sun
and
Climate changed is not caused by humans which also points out that volcanoes are responsible for less than one percent of the emmisions due to human activity.

I’ll only bother to answer the last comment, in that one fair sized volcanic eruption does more natural harm to the atmosphere than the last 100 years of unnatural motorised transport has.

And please lets move away from acusations of brainwashing. I’ve always considered science behind such debates and I fight propaganda in all forms.

You’re fighting a losing battle against propaganda, because you’ve fallen for it already.
Someone saw a bandwagon and jumped on it, leaving the taxpayer as the only loser.

At the end of the day, each to his own, as a wise (young) man recently said, “Let’s wait for 30 years to pass and see what happens.”

Well I haven’t got 30 years left to wait, so tough.

In approximately 6.5 billion years, Earth will melt and when the human race disappears long before that happens, which it certainly will, tough again.

If the end of the world happened tomorrow, only one person would die, you and in my case, me.;)
Taking the broad canvas into consideration, not a great loss either way.:diablo:

I wholeheartedly agree with you about the sterile, timeworn arguments that people keep spouting about MMGW being a fact.

Something more interesting is out there to be found, but it’s highly unlikely that those who are convinced are bothering to look any further.
They’re happy in the false knowledge that they’re doing their best to save the planet from certain destruction by CO2, a gas that is proven not to be the cause of global warming.

The only remaining content of your post directed at me was an offer to point me to a forum where I could eavesdrop on others who believe they know better than most climate scientists.

Is it really necessary for a post to be ‘directed’ at you before you feel the need to comment?

They don’t ‘know’ any better than climate scientists, but if you continue reading the arguments for and against, it’s certain that you may one day realise that this so called problem facing our planet isn’t as cut and dried as believers think.

I ignored the offer, but if you actually want an answer, thank you but no. I shall give it a miss.

Moggy

Your prerogative.

José

More about good old Al (Mr Green) Gore, the guy who wants us all to cut back and save the planet:

Public records reveal that as Gore lectures Americans on excessive consumption, he and his wife Tipper live in two properties: a 10,000-square-foot, 20-room, eight-bathroom home in Nashville, and a 4,000-square-foot home in Arlington, Va. (He also has a third home in Carthage, Tenn.)

http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/editorials/2006-08-09-gore-green_x.htm

This ‘environmental activist’ gent, drives a 2004 black Cadillac and gave his wife a 65 Mustang as a Valentine’s Day gift, neither of which could be classed as coming close to being green, more like brown!

He couldn’t even organise an eco friendly concert:

Jet-setting Bands Overpopulate Gore’s Live Earth

http://newsbusters.org/node/12013

These are the people who promote the cause for MMGW and try to convince us all to cut back?:rolleyes:

I’ll miss you Woolies! Got the Airfix bug from them many years ago….anyone else remember the pale blue “pegboard” display of made up Airfix kits that used to be mounted above the toy area?

Yes, the first Airfix kit was the Spitfire, it arrived in the stock room when I worked there in 1956.
It was my first job and I was paid the princely sum of 4 quid a week.
It was only a month before I moved on, to a string of jobs at around 2 to 2 pounds 10 shillings a week, but I have no regrets!

😀 Another tactic is to reply to the softest part of someone’s badly worded opening gambit and ignore the content.;)