My personal thanks to:

ANNE GILES, SELSDON says…
10:41pm Sun 10 Aug 08
cr2 – re gas and electricity bills, over 60s receive a fuel allowance which should pay for this. The last thing an elderly person wants to do is start digging and planting vegetables. Not with arthritic knees or bad backs. My in-laws stopped gardening after a certain age and a neighbour started mowing their lawn for them. For people with less money, the stalls at Croydon market sell vegetables very cheaply.

I’m nearly 68, but I don’t receive the annual fuel allowance and although the veg might be cheap at Croydon market, it would cost me a few hundred €uros to get there.

To keep on topic a bit, I’m dubious about the crashed/crushed aircraft in a wall, how thick is the wall?

Or should that read, how thick………………………?:diablo:

I can’t remember the last time anyone proved they could run a country!

Fear of the unknown came first.

Religion (and the associated ritual) are a means of imposing boundaries and parameters on the unknown, and reassuring ourselves that – despite all evidence to the contrary – mankind really is at the centre of the Universe after all.

A good way of controlling the tribe and warding off other tribes by having bigger gods.

😀 I know where the centre of my universe is.

That’s an easy one, religion came first, we know that exists, as yet there is no proof that any gods exist.

Gods exist in the minds of those who believe in them.

All this time “R.J.” was also designing another fighter but he did not make this public until the failure of the Type 224 was plain to see. Supermarine decided to build this aircraft as a private venture under the Air Ministry Specification F37/34. The Spitfire was born.

And we know who to thank for the eventual design, don’t we?;)

RJ himself sent a congratulatory letter to Heinkel, after seeing their amazing aircraft at Derby, while it was their having a RR Kestrel engine fitted.
Shortly after that, he came up with his (unsurprisingly) similar F.37/34 submission, which was worlds apart from the F.7/30 and anything he’d designed previously.

We should all be grateful to Siegfried and Walter Günter, for their part in helping RJ with his design, F.37/34, Type 300 Spitfire and grateful to Mitchell for seeing the potential of the HE-70?

You’re getting closer to the truth mate, keep going, but the fact is, the religious don’t ask the question “is there a God” because without God there is no religion.

Which came first though, religion or gods?

If you can answer that question convincingly, you’re a better person than I am!

Plus trainees reading up on lots of handling notes, I imagine.

Don’t drop the nose too rapidly chaps, Tilly hasn’t found her ‘orifice’ yet.:D

I wonder if today’s 20 year olds would have the foresight and courage to make that sort of decision.

If push came to shove, I imagine there would be enough worthy men to do the job well enough.