HammerRosoboronexport has formally submited to the Brazilian AF proposal for secondhand Su-27s at some US$10mi a piece…. This offer comprises a buyback option if the Su-35 is selected later… More details later. Interest on this proposal was high.
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HammerHi bring_it_on,
Don’t you think that due to the possible dismissal of the 767 as the future tanker platform and the prospective selection of a “KC-777” as the only Boeing entry in this market could probably ban Boeing Tankers from foreign use… The 777 would certainly be too expensive for any airforce outsite the USAF… That´s the reason for my question.
That would leave only second hand Boeing liners (757s, 767s, MD-11s…) in this market niche.
The 737 seems to be doing well in the AWACS and the Maritime Patrol areas, could tanker role be too far away?
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HammerI believe that Australia is way to far away from the Chinese Mainland to be directly threatened by the Chinese…. Vietnam, Thailand, Myanmar, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, all would be in the way of a Chinese move against the Australians.
During WWII the Japanese never got as south as Australia before the Americans intervened pushing the main front to the northeast of Australia… Things would be VERY different if the PLAN was operating som 5-6 Kuznetzov sized Aircraft-carriers with Su-33s as their main weapon.
What woud be the “valuable resources” that could convince the Chinese to invade Australia? Oil for instance could easily be found elsewhere for a much lesser strategic cost… Just the effort involved in transporting the commodities all the way to Chinese ports would be daunting in my opinion…
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Hammeris there a market for a 737 derived tanker?
HammerYes, the whole Su-35 marketing strategy is flawed. Had they marketed some kind of “Su-30MKBr”, there would be nobody saying it’s a paper plane.
One can see that by looking at the MKM deal for Malaysia: nobody says it’s a paper plane, but it isn’t that less a paper plane than Su-35 is.
Hi Charlie Echo,
I was involved with the marketing of the Su-35 for the Brazilian Air Force. Our main oposition was prejudice against Russian tecnology and industry and Embraer disinformation strategies. When we were able to show to the press how better the Su-35 was as fighter plane several Fighter jocks started to declare their prefferences for the SU-35.
Originaly the intention was to offer a Su-30MKK tipe of aircraft but unfortunately the FAB insisted the FX had to be a single seater, thus the Su-35 being offered. As to your “Br” sugestion it was done, all Flanker aircraft are custom tailored to the clients requirement, we could even use the F-5Br cockpit but this would surely be a waste of money since the Russian avionics are way superior than the Elbit set chosen for this upgrade. There were several Russian business cooperation proposals that were discarded by Embraer such as the manufacture under licence in Russia of Embraer Jets (E-170s!) or the swap of the Su-35s for 50 units of the E-170 for Aeroflot to use…
I disagree when you put that the Sukhoi marketing stategy was “flawed” the association with Avibras was genius! Leaving SAAB and Lockheed gasping for air… When we started out the mere thought of a Russian Fighter in FAB service could only be seen as A BAD JOKE! As something IMPOSSIBLE, something the Could never happen. By the end of the Program we where the fighter pilots choice… not bad for “a joke”… 🙂
Unfortunately the Embraer marriage to Dassault eventualy cost the Brazilian government their choice to move the fighter force into the 21st century.
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HammerThe FX cost cap was set at US$700Mi. Only the Su-35s and the MiG-29s fell under this threshold. All others went above it. The Mirage 2000Br proposal by Embraer/Dassault was estimated at US$1.4Bi…
That´s just what went sour with the FX bid…
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HammerBrazil´s problem is that a rather simple thing as a new fighter procuremente has become the focal interest of a great many number of people outside the Air Force…. The Mirage 2000C offer is a direct government-to-government proposal. A recent news article going to the extremes of declaring that during the 14th July air display in Paris (with the presence of Mr. Lula – Brazilian President) some of the aircraft in the air display would already be in Brazilian air force colors… It appears the Air Force is being kept away from this discussion….
The Brazilian Air Force’s Commander visit to Korea in the words of a recently retired air force General is exclusively to procure 16 used F-5s from the RoKAF stocks. His comments on the A-50 should be taken as a mere gesture of goodwill towards the hosts…
An other possible option is that Brazil might be interested in selling new ERJ-145 based AWACS machines to the RoKAF…. This could eventualy be seen as some kind of offset business possibility..
One real lesson, be careful with what you read in the press… 🙂
HammerThe Russians are about to offer the Su-27SKM upgraded Flankers to the Brazilian Air Force at dirt cheap prices….. Anouncement is near. Lt´s wait a while…
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HammerBrazil´s new Commemorative F-5
A nice air-to-air image of the 30th Aniversary bird.
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Hammer
HammerOther possible “star names”…. 😀
all-star adj.
blazing star n.
morning star n.
polar star n.
star sapphire n.
starstruck adj.
black dwarf star n.
starburst n.
stardust n.
stargazer n.
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HammerHow about “F-24 RisingStar”? (Theres still a chance someone will come to their senses inside the DoD Aircraft Naming Dept…
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HammerEmbraer Expands Its Business Jet Portfolio
Tuesday May 3, 8:10 pm ET
Embraer launches Very Light Jet and Light Jet
SAO JOSE DOS CAMPOS, Brazil, May 3 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ — Embraer today announced it is strengthening its position in the business aviation market with new products and services. The first move to expand its product portfolio is to complement the Legacy offering with jets for the Very Light and Light categories.
Recently created, the Very Light Jet category is made up of aircraft that carry 6 to 8 people or up to 10,000 pounds. The Light segment, already established, is comprised of jets that commonly transport up to 8 or 9 people.
The Company will offer a complete range of integrated service solutions that will support the product portfolio expansion. In the near future, Embraer will unveil these solutions that range from sales to full-scale customer support.
“The Legacy has paved the way for Embraer to build a name in the business aviation market. This has been an enriching experience from which valuable lessons were learned. The accrued knowledge will shape our entrance into the Very Light, Entry and Light Jet segments, keeping Embraer at the forefront of product development and innovation,” said Mauricio Botelho, Embraer President and CEO.
Introduction of Embraer in the Very Light and Light categories was approved by Embraer’s Board of Directors in April. The investment in the new jets will total US$ 235 million. This program will be funded by the partners, financial institutions and the Company’s own cash generation. Based upon in-depth market assessments, Embraer has estimated demand for approximately 3,000 Very Light, Entry and Light jets over the next decade. This figure does not include the air taxi market.
“Embraer is committed to making long-term investments in this business to offer revolutionary products and completely integrated solutions to a sophisticated customer base. Our goal is to build a robust business aviation unit and a global infrastructure to support it,” said Luis Carlos Affonso, Senior Vice-President for the Corporate Aviation Market.
The Very Light and Light Jets will be best-in-class. Premium comfort, outstanding performance and low operating cost are key design drivers for these jets.
They will be designed for high utilization and high availability. The pilot-friendly cockpit and the docile flying qualities of the two new aircraft will enable single-pilot operation and an easy transition for less experienced pilots.
Embraer’s Very Light Jet will carry up to eight people and be powered by Pratt & Whitney Canada’s PW617F engine, with 1,615 pounds of thrust. Its range will be 1,160 nautical miles (NBAA IFR reserves with 100 nm alternate) with four people onboard and it will have a maximum operating speed of Mach 0.7. The airplane is designed for a short takeoff distance and is capable of flying at 41,000 feet.
The Very Light Jet is expected to enter service in mid-2008 and will be priced at $2.75 million in 2005 economic conditions.
The Light Jet will be powered by P&WC’s PW535E engine, with 3,200 pounds of thrust. Comfortably accommodating up to nine people, the Light Jet’s range will be 1,800 nautical miles (NBAA IFR reserves with 100 nm alternate) with six people onboard, and it will have a maximum operating speed of Mach 0.78. The airplane is also designed for a short takeoff distance and is capable of flying at 45,000 feet.
The Light Jet is expected to enter service in mid-2009 and be priced at US$ 6.65 million in 2005 economic conditions.
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HammerOne application forseen for the Super Tucano would something like patroling the sprawling oilfields of the Middle East against saboteur action, during day or night.
Also the “helicopter hunter” mission was the reason behind the “H” in EMB-312H.
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HammerNow that I look at the pics I posted, I see some interesting things:
Pics 1 and 3 are the same plane 00 without official FAB markings
Pic 4 is a company development plane, noted by the civil rego on it. (note also the angle of the center line drop tank as opposed to the wing tanks. And the canopy looks shallower as well- but that could just be the angle of the shot).
Pic 2 is an actual in service plane 02 with full low viz markings, how many do they have in service now?
The Super Tucano is the EMB-314. The company aircraft pictured above as PP-ZTF is actualy an EMB-312H prototypes an enhanced Tucano created for the JPATS competition in the USA. The Suoer Tucano is a much superior aircreft then the “H” especialy in terms of having a fully digital modern cockpit, instead of a much simpler analog one. The canopy is totaly different in these two planes, you are correct.
Has anyone ever heard about Singapore AF interest on the Super Tucano? I´m quite curious about this possibility. A FAB officer flying these birds told me two weeks ago that there are some 16 Super Tucanos in operation today.
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HammerWell guys, let´s not forget the eternal B-52 and KC-135/137s… The supersonic B-58 and the many variants of the Yak-28 Brewer. These are not fighters or attack aircraft but sure are combat aircraft…. :rolleyes:
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