Well the jury is still out on that account.
But, there are two pointer in S-125 favor.
1st. There are some wreckage of S-125 rockets inside Israel(or inside Golan..), which mean they had the reach for the F-16I.
It’s said that S-125, S-200 and Buk missile types were fired at the Israeli planes that night – the S-125 missiles which crashed on the ground were the missiles which did not shoot down the F-16.
2nd. Yes the reach/range.. Its doubtfully the newer post Cold war Russian produced BUK’s was positioned close enough to reach past the Golan heights.
why wouldn’t they be positioned close to the border like any other missile system might be?
3rd. The warhead on S-125 is quite large compare to BUK. Its seems on various youtube clips and reported pilot interview, that the F-16 came apart instantly, and pilots ejecting in mere second upon hit. Might have been the S-125 warhead.
Buk warhead is smaller than that on the S-125 – you sure about that? Wikipedia says otherwise.
Not sure what you are trying to say..
If it was towards Russian Anti-air systems.
Then a S-125 just recently shoot down a F-16I.Not bad for Museums stuff..
I thought I read somewhere it was a Buk system shot down the F-16?
Nicholas10
1. Mirage 2000
2. 36-48 Mig 31s & the rest consisting of Mirage 2000s.I reckon the F18 would be an excellent choice for 1. but I’m not buying American.
MiG-31 was certainly not available for export in the 1980s, if it ever was available for export?
Its the 1980s and your Air Force will choose only 1 or 2 fighters for its core!
Is this some kind of ‘counter-factual’ or alternative history thread?
We already know what many air forces, given a choice, did choose as their fighter aircraft in the 1980s. That prize goes to the F-16 surely, followed by the MiG-23. No F-14 was ever sold to any foreign customer in 1980s, at all.
Syrian downing of F-16I begs question: Why didn’t Israel deploy F-35s?
Who says Israeli AF are not using their F-35s in combat?
NOW MATTIS ADMITS THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE ASSAD USED POISON GAS ON HIS PEOPLE
Lost in the hyper-politicized hullabaloo surrounding the Nunes Memorandum and the Steele Dossier was the striking statement by Secretary of Defense James Mattis that the U.S. has “no evidence” that the Syrian government used the banned nerve agent Sarin against its own people.
This assertion flies in the face of the White House (NSC) Memorandum which was rapidly produced and declassified to justify an American Tomahawk missile strike against the Shayrat airbase in Syria.
Mattis offered no temporal qualifications, which means that both the 2017 event in Khan Sheikhoun and the 2013 tragedy in Ghouta are unsolved cases in the eyes of the Defense Department and Defense Intelligence Agency…
So what was that Tomahawk missile strike on the Syrian air base all about?
Sad news indeed.
Aircraft involved, photo taken last month:
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What weapon was used in this shootdown, Hellfire missile?
Marcellogo:
P.s. and that is the best response to Levsha also: C-141 has done just ferries between USA mainland and main, full standard bases abroad, it was surely efficient in this role but for qualify itself as a real military transport plane like the ones cited above it should have showed almost the ability to operate from forward operating bases if not from rugged, short airstrips like the An-22 proved able to do.
Well as far as the USAF were concerned the rough field performance of the C-141 and the C-5 was more than good enough – if the USAF thought that such a capability was important designed it into the airframe. Both Lockheed products have more than proved themselves in the last 50 years or so. C-131 was good enough for the rough-field role.
Are you aware how such a comparison is really the best compliment one can made to Russian designer school when it come in terms of reliability and usefulness?
Are you trying to tell us the An-22 was more reliable and useful than the C-141 – where exactly do you get this information from, Marcellogo? :confused:
Aahh – posturing for the camera – they always have to say that. Bear in mind what Basar-Assad (and his father’s policy) on the state of Israel is, you don’t actually believe that any US president can actually be seen to support the Assad regime, now do you?
And what is Syria’s, and Iran’s, plan for Israel? BTW, do Israel or even the USA, have plans for the overthrow of Assad? Why would they even want that?
None of this discussion has anything to do with Israel bombing certain groups within Syria, groups which Israel believes threatens Israel’s security.
About time Israel pays a price for its constant and blatant meddling in Syria.
I can understand somebody saying the same about America’s involvement in the conflict – but Israel? The Israelis do have a stake in the region you know – they live there.
Dr.Snufflebug:
I read somewhere that the Polyus spacecraft, also known as the Skif-DM did not in fact carry a full working laser, although the Skif did contain much of the equipment of the final Skif laser carrier.
The Buran’s safety systems were far superior to the limited options offered by the Space Shuttle orbiter, partly thanks to its non-dependence on the launch vehicle assembly. Also, it had a far more thought-out crew escape provisions for ejections at lower altitudes.
What escape systems? The pilot and co-pilot astronauts had ejection seats – but any other crew members on the spacecraft certainly did not have any. Less well known is that the NASA space shuttle flew its first 5 test flights with a pair of escape seats for the 2 pilots, but they were not fitted for the following normal 130 missions. Perhaps this would have been the same scenario for the Buran?
…But, I fail to see how this relates to F-14 and MiG-31. The only similarity between the two is that they were both tailored to carry big long-range AAMs (AIM-54 vs. R-33).
Indeed, the MiG-31 first flew in 1975, the the R-33 missile began live test firing around the same time, years before the Iranian Shah’s air force began to receive the F-14. The MiG-31 system had almost completed flight trials by the time of the Iranian Islamic revolution.