LevshaOn the other hand, the US had quite a streak of civilian bombing last ~two weeks, so Trump’s “affront to humanity comment” maybe a little much.
What a pointless piece of whataboutery.
LevshaAtlantic trident 2017 this year (F-35, F-22, Typhoon, Rafale):
Adversary force will consist of T-38’s and F-15E’s
Do I see a MiG-28 in this picture?:)
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LevshaRegarding the F-35’s combat radius or range, don’t forget it carries almost 65% more internal fuel than a Typhoon – so why should anyone be surprised that it would have the equivalent range and endurance to a Typhoon with 2 or 3 drop tanks (with all the extra weight and drag that entails). The same could probably be said in an F-35 Super Hornet comparison.
LevshaASH price isn’t even competitive
I doubt if a normal F/A-18E is any cheaper than the F-35C to buy or to keep flying.
LevshaI pay for reading Key Publisher magazines.
Lets just say i have some expectations about their material.
But it was reported on their free-to-access website? http://www.airforcesmonthly.com/2017/03/07/have-israels-new-f-35s-seen-combat/
LevshaIts a key publisher magazine newertheless.
http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/8146/has-israel-actually-sent-the-f-35-into-combat-already
And they actually do discredit this story.
My point was they should not even commet on it, blogg or magazine alike.I’ve just sent a mail to the CAm Editor, letting him know my take on it.
Why not comment on the story, even if it does seem unlikely that the IAF are already carrying out strike missions with their F-35s – it’s just a report from a journalist?
There are lots of BS stories out there – no need to be especially upset by this one.
Levshaits their planned standard deployment in case of being attacked,
do you think they would stick to 800 m if they couldnt launch any attack they wanted ?
‘its their planned standard deployment in case’ – what, to fly from 800 metre runways at ‘full load’ maximum take-off weights? Link please.
as for all fighters, i recall a pilot saying he challenged anyone to replicate a landing on an icy strip of road in any fighter beside gripen
As I said Norwegian F-16s do it all the time, as I’m sure their F-35s will do so in the fullness of time.
Levshayes, a driving KPP for gripen was to operate from 2600 ft with full load,
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Have you got a quote for that? 800 metres, yes. But at maximum take-off weight, I doubt it.
All fighters can take off and land from a 800 metre runway. Norwegian F-16s do it all the time it seems.
LevshaWe are interested in operating cost of an Su-30MK/SM and F-16C as a base of comparison for Iraq. The numbers for Polish MiG-29s and F-16s prove that the twin-engined MiG-29 is inherently cheaper to fly, even if only the cost of fuel, oil and liquids is being considered. Which was surprising even for me.. If we should account for spares or maintenance, then the outcome is even more visible..
Fuel consumption per hour of the MiG-29 is less than that for the F-16C? That would surprise me too, seeing as the MiG has 30% more weight and installed thrust than the F-16 – in fact I don’t believe it. Check out the internal fuel loads of both aircraft – and then check out the range/endurance of each aircraft on their own internal fuel load.
LevshaGo back to page one and read.. It all started with Iraqi AF and whether the F-16s were the right choice for the job, given the delivery timeline and cost, especially if Iraq could have had advanced Su-30s for (much?) less.. Some guys have rightfully raised the topic of operating cost and that the Flankers were likely much more expensive to fly, service and maintain. Based on the figures from Polish AF I have shown that it was the F-16 which was visibly costlier to fly than a MiG-29 and that the operating cost of an Su-30 could easily be in the same ballpark than one of an F-16C. Might sound strange for a start but the numbers don’t lie..
Anything else you need to clarify?
Well you are still making a flawed comparison. There can be little relationship between the operating costs of an emasculated MiG-29 and a fully equipped F-16C on the one hand, and the cost between a Su-30 and F-16C on the other. Probably best to ask the Venezuelen AF, they operate both types.
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How can you compare Polish MiG-29 ).12 and Polish F-16 – F-16 is ten times more capable: AIM-120C, JSOW and various other guided munitions etc. The MiG, only with R-73 R-27T maybe? R-27R, I doubt it.
You might have missed it but we are talking purely about cost for a flight hour.. No mission cost, no ordnance, no sending parts back to the maker.. just refuel the thing and get it in the air, that’s it.
Ok, what is the point of such a discussion? An air force has to spend the required amount of money in order to carry out its tasks and duties.
LevshaVW have easier maintenance is more reliable then Lada and consume less fuel but when you look bill it is still more expensive per km then Lada.
Cost of parts are very important.
Perhaps, but so what, who cares. When was the last time you saw a Lada outside of the former Soviet Union anyway?
LevshaErrr.. not sure what you’re on now.. :confused:
You have already been proven wrong as the MiG-29, indeed, is cheaper to fly than the F-16..
what’s the point of further arguing?
How can you compare Polish MiG-29 ).12 and Polish F-16 – F-16 is ten times more capable: AIM-120C, JSOW and various other guided munitions etc. The MiG, only with R-73 R-27T maybe? R-27R, I doubt it.
So of course the MiG-29 is cheaper. It’s an apples and oranges comparison.
Levshawhat is your suggestion?
I was making an observation, not a comparison.
LevshaNow, for operate into such a mission one plane would be expected, almost on my part, to be located i don’t say in the immediate vicinity of but almost in the same continent in which such conflict would possibly erupt.
Actually, they are all in American territory so IMHO or they have been destined to another primary mission from the one they were initially tough for or they are such complicated and difficult to support that they cannot be send too far from mainland (frankly, this one seems me quite an absurd one but still much less than some other counter arguments I have heard there).
I don’t know why you write such nonsense.
If you had even bothered to check the F-22’s wikipedia page you would have learned that:
Deployments
F-22 fighter units have been frequently deployed to Kadena Air Base in Okinawa, Japan.[181] In February 2007, on the aircraft’s first overseas deployment to Kadena Air Base, six F-22s of 27th Fighter Squadron flying from Hickam AFB, Hawaii, experienced multiple software-related system failures while crossing the International Date Line (180th meridian of longitude). The aircraft returned to Hawaii by following tanker aircraft. Within 48 hours, the error was resolved and the journey resumed.[182][183] In early 2013, F-22s were involved in U.S.-South Korean military drills.[184]
In November 2007, F-22s of 90th Fighter Squadron at Elmendorf AFB, Alaska, performed their first NORAD interception of two Russian Tu-95MS “Bear-H” bombers.[185] Since then, F-22s have also escorted probing Tu-160 “Blackjack” bombers.[186] The first pair of F-22s assigned to the 49th Fighter Wing became operational at Holloman AFB, New Mexico, in June 2008.[187] In 2014, Holloman F-22s and their support personnel were reassigned to the reactivated 95th Fighter Squadron at Tyndall AFB.[188]
Secretary of Defense Gates initially refused to deploy F-22s to the Middle East in 2007.[189] The type made its first deployment in the region at Al Dhafra Air Base in the UAE in 2009. In April 2012, F-22s have been rotating into Al Dhafra Air Base, less than 200 miles from Iran;[190][191] the Iranian defense minister referred to the deployment as a security threat.[192] In March 2013 the USAF announced that an F-22 had intercepted an Iranian F-4 Phantom II that approached within 16 miles of an MQ-1 Predator flying off the Iranian coastline.[167]
In June 2014, F-22s from the 199th Fighter Squadron of the Hawaii Air National Guard were deployed to Malaysia to participate in the Cope Taufan 2014 exercise conducted by the USAF Pacific Air Forces and Royal Malaysian Air Force.[193]
On 22 September 2014, F-22s performed the type’s first combat sorties during the American-led intervention in Syria; a number of aircraft dropped 1,000-pound GPS-guided bombs on Islamic State targets in the vicinity of Tishrin Dam.[194][195] Combat operations by F-22s are planned to continue into the foreseeable future. While some missions involve striking targets, the F-22’s main role is intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance (ISR) gathering.[196] By January 2015, the F-22 accounted for three percent of Air Force sorties during Operation Inherent Resolve.[197] General Mike Hostage of ACC said that it performed “flawlessly” during this deployment.[198] Between September 2014 and July 2015, F-22s flew 204 sorties over Syria, dropping 270 bombs at some 60 locations.[199] On 23 June 2015, a pair of F-22s performed the aircraft’s first close air support (CAS) mission after receiving a short-notice request for airstrikes in close proximity to friendly forces.[200]
An F-22 refueling prior to combat operations in Syria, September 2014
In late 2014, the USAF was testing a rapid deployment concept involving four F-22s and one C-17 for support, first proposed in 2008 by two F-22 pilots. The goal was for the type to be able to set up and engage in combat within 24 hours.[201][202] Four F-22s were deployed to Spangdahlem Air Base in Germany in August and Lask Air Base in Poland and Amari Air Base in Estonia in September 2015 to train with NATO allies.[203]On 19 August 2016, two F-22s intercepted two Syrian Su-24 strike aircraft over Hasakah, Syria, following SyAAF attacks on U.S.-backed Kurdish forces in and around the city.[204]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_Martin_F-22_Raptor#Deployments
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