R60 was built for being carried through a higher range of velocities underneath the fighter if I understand correctly.
I thought I read somewhere that the aircraft carrying R-60 was limited to a speed of around Mach 1.7?
That article is long since discredited, due to the obvious gross errors in it.
The PAK FA project still has its problems though perhaps? It’s running a bit slow, is it? Or maybe everyone in Russia is happy with the pace of testing (everything is going according to timetable)?
R-40 is dated hardware. Current MiG-31BMs are using R-33S missiles.. The F-15 can get splashed from well over 100-150km distance. Even if it is able to evade the incoming missiles, a skilled Foxhound pilot can easily manage to stay well out of range of Eagle’s claws (AIM-120 ~ 40km?).
IMHO, it’s either a kill for the MiG-31 or a draw.
How did Iranian F-14A do against Iraqi Mirage F1, MiG-21, MiG-23 during the 1st Gulf war? Sadddam’s warplanes were still able to get a few Tomcat kills in the end, were they not – despite the long range of the AIM-54A missile?
The USAF have observed Foxhounds travelling at M2.6 for hundreds of miles.
How many ‘hundreds’?
It would be interesting to compare the endurance of of such types as the Su-27, F-15, F-4 when flying at Mach 2+ speeds. What’s the combat radius of an MiG-25 flying at M2.6+? I think it may be no more than 300km?
Oops, edit, I see 620 miles quoted, It sounds a bit much – I doubt if the MiG was doing M2.6 for all of those 600 miles…
It was an Iraqi AF MiG-25 that scored the only A2A kill against a U.S. fighter, during the first Gulf War.
It was, with R-40 BVR missiles (with reference to the ‘Missile evasion tactics’ thread).
All of that is very true hops. Whichever fighting force has the overall superiority in their technologies, whether it’s the missiles, or the systems used to counteract them will succeed – not to mention the quality of training and support and of course, numerical superiority as well. Again, to repeat myself, all of this is stating the ‘bleeding obvious’.
But haven’t most air-to-air kills in the last 30 or so years been with BVR missiles anyway, how many gun kills did the MiG-25 ever achieve?
Obviously a lot smaller – although ironically the F-20 was, unlike the F-16A, designed from the beginning to carry BVR missiles (AIM-7), if my memory serves well.
The F-20 is actually a less capable aircraft to the F-16. It didn’t meet USAF requirements and wouldn’t have been accepted – just like the aircraft it was developed from, the F-5. Unlike the F-16, the F-20 had no potential for development and growth.
It coincide with my understanding, but better presented than i could ever accomplish.
It coincides with my understanding as well – there isn’t anything in it I can actually fault as such – but it is just stating the bleeding obvious. It’s a boring text. It reads like some sort of 19th century cookery book recipe. For example:
Thus there are several tactics to evade the missile, some of them very simple. First is a barrel roll. As missile is unable to track it, it will fly past and loose a lock in the process. Second is a simple turn, where pilot forces missile to follow it through a turn – this turn however must be well timed, and is very useful as an end move in more complex maneuvers designed to bleed off missile’s energy. It is also very useful in a dogfight, where rear-aspect shots are far more likely than front-aspect shots.
:applause:
Should we take this document seriously – an awful lot of theorising, it seems to me.
To make things more complicated, there is also a vertical component which is usually neglected but its even more important if we are talking about MiG-25. You can fire an AIM-120 missile at 100+ kilometers to a target closing in at M2.5 at 50k feet; but if the target happens to have capability to suddenly zoom climb to 100k+ feet, you wont be hitting it even if you fire it from 5 kilometers, because 100k is certainly outside of AIM-120s ceiling. Hence, such target is outside of your NEZ.
Such a zoom climb maneuver by the MiG-25R would immediately terminate its reconnaissance mission there and then would it not? Mission kill for the F-22.
How would the MiG pilot know there was an amraam approaching anyway?
All this talk of how an F-22 could or couldn’t intercept an Mig-25R is mainly academic. The Americans would attack and knock out the MiG’s operating base with Tomahawk missiles launched from warships many miles away.
Besides, The MiG-25 has to slow down eventually when returning to base – it’s only got fuel to fly at M 2.5+ for 15 minutes or so, I’m sure the F-22 can nab them then. In the same style of P-47s and P-51s allegedly shooting down Me-262 when they were returning to their airfields.
IMHO, it should work even better, as MiG-25R has at least some agility to evade missiles.
A MiG-25R flying at Mach 2.6 has no agility to evade missiles.
Sr-71 was never supposed to operate over the USSR at all.
The biggest danger to the Blackbird over the USSR was not the interceptors, but the missiles. Starting with the S-200 in the late 1960s…
Hey, I’m merely quoting the World Banks most recent PPP charts, which were released a few months ago. This chiefly in response to the above “Brazil is richer than Russia” statement, which sounds a bit odd in light of the fact that Russia is the only BRIC to qualify as a “high income” country as of 2012/13 and it ranks above Brazil in GDP/PPP, GNI/PPP, GDP/Nominal/c and GNI/Nominal/c. Nominal values are usually less interesting in this particular context, though…
…Personally I’m very glad that this big neighbor of ours is getting it’s s**t together at such an impressive pace now. The last thing I want is a totally dysfunctional and volatile hellhole armed to the teeth with nukes just around the corner.
Now that’s a big post…:)
I honestly couldn’t disagree with what you have just written above, including the link you provided. Certainly the economic and social situation in Russia is improving, which is to be welcomed. Calculating these economic indexes is quite an art – it all depends on what it means to the man in the street.
from JSR:
Russia not only has larger economy than Germany but Russia economy is larger than whole of EU. These statistics dont take into account foreign money and foreign protection.(US military power) ( opportunity costs).
:rolleyes: