That might got something to do with it, though the Israeli version of the F-35A will already include the ability to launch Israeli weapons right from the start of its service.
But all in all I think you are right about the connection with the F-35…
According to the manual, the aircraftβs main parameters defining the energy maneuverability performance turn out the fighter slightly better than the McDonnell Douglas F-4E Phantom II and definitely better than the IAI Kfir C.2.
I find this sentance is illogical. The Kfir, being a Mirage type fighter, has a much better performance in dogfights than the F-4E.
Yeah I’m sure both are excellent missiles, but it’s not fair nor serious to claim the 9X is the best missile, without testing it against the P5 before.
I must say though that I find it a bit surprising that Denmark chose the 9X instead if the Python 4/5. We are in a good relationship with Denmark and they shouldn’t have a problem opearting Israeli equipment :rolleyes:
I guess so GDL… :rolleyes:
There is an agreement for co-production of the Python-4 with Lockheed, so I guess the US knows pretty well what makes the Python-4 what he is. But it’s not the same with the 5…
No, it’s like PAF Fan said. All IDF/AF planes for example are officialy USAF birds, until their first landing in Israel.
About the AIM-9X. I find the statements in the article on the AIM-9X as the best short range AA missile as a bit disconnected from reality.
Erez. Those “dumb” bombs were guided. A french engineer had placed transmitters. Anyway. Using F16 for that role was not a bad idea. If countering anything then the F16 would have done the job. A dedicated bomber may have done the job “better” but the way back was not easy.
I agree with you Erez. Transforming the F16 (light agile multirole airsuperiority jet) into heavier bomber is not the best idea. Compensating more weight by adding a more powerful engine is just a compenstaion.
As far as the official story goes, they were simple iron boms. The way we know they attacked the reactor, and the films and pictures they took, shows that it was a CCIP aiming strike.
I’m not ignoring the other theories though. But I find it hard to believe that a French engineer had help us. Jews were not allowed to build the reactor in Iraq, in a direct order by Saddam. Unless of course that engineer was given a whole lot of money.
Also, the strike was made in Sunday, because we didn’t want to harm French workers. So a transmitter had to be placed at least a day before, though I don’t know how long the signal could last.
I disagree Arthur, F-16s, could have defended temselves much better then a Skyhawk or jag had they been attacked on route….
That’s the main reason we didn’t use F-4s, even though the attacking formation was escourted by a formation of F-15s. And we also wanted to boast a bit with our new toys π
Arthur, IIRC the Iranian raid was in 1980, and by 1981 that damage was repaired.
Well looks like this isn’t working too fine…
Try to fix it like this:
(——————)l
(—————-)/ 0
)____________ [ l( . ) l] ____________/
(——-)++(—-)+(–)+(—–)++
BTW thought you might like it:
l
/ 0
____________ [ l( . ) l] ____________/
++ + + ++
I’m afraid that no matter the improvements that can be given/were given to any 4th generation fighter plane, they still can’t be used as a poor man’s 5th generation fighter. That’s because of stealthiness. Stealth will change the way dogfights are made, because you can’t shoot what you don’t see in radar, and it’s hard to lock on a plane with a small heat signature.
That’s why in the moment the F/A-22, F-35 and alike will start to appear, the F-16s, Su-30s, Gripens, Mirage-2000s and the rest will be almost useless over night. Not even highly agile missiles like the Phyton-5 could help a 4th generation plane in a dogfight against a 5th generation plane.
If anything, the engineers should focus on trying to lower the F-16’s heat signature, that’s the only thing that might able the F-16 to survive in the age of the stealth fighters.
The F-16A was a nice little plane at the time. But I don’t like too much the monsters that were created from it later on.
An F-16I for example, no matter the equipment it got, is just too wick, especially in its wings, and can’t be a suitable replacement for a bomb truck like the F-4. I think it’s just a matter of time before we’ll start hearing about crack in the wings of the F-16I, that will have to carry as much weight as the Phantom and the F-15I.
But it seems though that the guys of the IDF/AF knew it and still agreed to buy the F-16I. Maybe they got some wing improvement that we don’t know of.
Today’s engines are nothing like the older generation engines. They are extremely reliable and therefore I don’t think that having a single engine is a bad thing for a fighter plane today, from reliabilty point of view. The F-16 got its bad name mostly in service of some airforces, where it crashes almost every month. But look at other airforces too. The Israeli air force lost nearly no F-16s, and almost none becasue of engine problems.
But it should be mentioned that the F-16 is one of the most beautiful fighter planes in the world today. In conclusion, even though all of the above the F-16 is still a very good multi role fighter plane. And you can’t disagree with its success.
The F-16 should have been born as top model, not a war plane.
Except the usual civil stuff, I flew ‘first class’ in an IAI Arava, right between the two pilots.
Toda Dan.
That’s an extremely rare picture, very nice find π
Now, I don’t think you’ll find any colorful pics of the plane, because color photographing was not common in Israel at that time π
Mind if I post it on the forum I got the knowledge from?
And the Ouragan pic is cool too. Looks like you got a wonderful collection π
The Python 4 and 5 are claimed to have some kind of an almost BVR ability. So I think a Python-6 would be more like a BVRed Python, together with being a close range missile.
Perhaps some kind of a super Derby.
I think it’s too soon to speculate anything about the Python 6.
Only now the 5 is enterting service and is said to be better than the AIM-9X. So I think that a 6 might appear only in about 10-15 years from now.