Now that’s more like it 😎
Well.. if that’s their blue, they really got to check their eyes :rolleyes:
The guy who made the Greek painting wrote that this scheme is called “Aegean blue”.
Well it’s how you like it.
Pilots sometimes say “she is a wonderful machine” and sometimes “he is a work horse”.
I personally can’t imagine a mighty F-4 as anything but this huge cool guy 😎
I really don’t know, because it wasn’t produced.
In 1991, near the ending of the Kfir’s service in Israel, the new frameless windshield was installed on some of the Israeli Kfir C7s.
Now I don’t think this idea came out of the blue. I think it’s just one of the fruits of the researches made for the Nammer that later also formed the J-79 engined Kfir-2000.
So I think a production Nammer would have used a frameless windshield.
I have a theory that the Nammer, or Tiger in English, is actually the Cheetah C. It’s just a 100% fit to the description of the Nammer, even the engine is the same. But for the sake of the discussion let’s not open this pandora 😉
Thanks Arthur.
PII, that would be Kurnass 187. It was a testbed for for the fixed, unfolding SLATS. That’s the reason he was given the sharkmouth, because at the time, he had better performances than the rest of the Kurnasses, and he was sent to many aviation shows.
The fixed SLATS were eventually not installed on the rest of the fleet because it reduced the speed of the plane.
After the finishing of the tests, the rest of the fleet was fitted with the folding SLATS, and Kurnass 187 was repainted and his sharkmouth removed. He later served in all F-4 squadrons but the “Knights of the Orange tail”, and went out of service after serving in the “Bat” squadron, in 1992.
In fact, it remains today in the IDF/AF museum.
This knowledge is credited to Ilan Vershai, one of the greatest aviation experts in Israel. Although you don’t know him, it’s his knowledge and a credit must be given.
BTW if you got some more complexed questions on the Israeli Kurnasses, you can turn to him.
That’s just the point, it just shows that the Chinese are attempting (and succeded) to make a multi role all weather strike fighter bomber. I think it’s good they are getting the most out of the J-10 airframe.
Yes, only that the nose is Cheetah C and Kfir-2000 like.
Take a look on this. I painted it some time ago in fictional IDF/AF colors, but I also got you the unpainted version.
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=8912&stc=1
http://forum.keypublishing.co.uk/attachment.php?attachmentid=8913&stc=1
Here you got the best source of knowledge about the Nammer:
http://forums.airbase.ru/index.php?act=ST&f=3&t=10560
Reportedly first flew on the 21st of March 1991, it was never confirmed by the IAI. BUT.
I have seen a shirt on an IAI worker, and the words “IAI Nammer” in English on it. So I guess that does it.
Ever seen a Kfir-2000?
The Nammer is just like it, only with three possible other engines:
1) GE 404
2) Atar of some later model, 9K-5 or something I think
3) according to one source, PW1120
It’s was never supposed to be a new build machine, but just a Kfir upgrade. The researches made in the project proved useful in the Kfir-2000.
Does that thing have AMRAAM’s on it? I would guess so since you said it was a former HAF bird….
Cool nonetheless.
Just another question………the exhausts kinda look like Spey engines..is that supposed to be that way for a certain reason or is it just how they came out.
I like this F-4….it seems a be a mix of all of them.
An F-4 Mutt is what we’ll call it.
Well, looks like it does :p
didn’t really looked closely at the missiles until now 🙂
I might transport the new painting to another version of this F-4 model without AMRAAM on it, if I could find one.
All in all this model was made very nicely, the best available F-4 model for FS. But it does has its wick points, like the canopy.
About the exhausts… they remained as the creator made them for his F-4E version. I’m gonna have to rework them I guess. Any chance you got a good side view of the GE J-79-17?
The Mutt F-4 will soon be a proud Kurnass 😉
I will have a problem making it a Kurnass-2000 because as you know the Kurnass-2000 got an IFR probe and some other smaller modifications. I spoke to the creator and he said he currently don’t plan any changes over the basic model… so we’ll see 😮
And just for the heck of it 😀
I really like this angle of the Phantom.
Hey, if you’re trying to say that I’m hinting that the Chinese are ‘copying again’, that’s not my point.
The Chinese are smart people and got years of experience in building aircraft, I’m sure they know ways of putting avionics on a fighter plane, and one of these ways is an avionics spine.
I’m not trying to insult the Chinese, ok?
I said that the J-10B got a “late blocks F-16 style spine” just for illustration. On the same way I could have said a Skyhawk style spine.
Indeed Arthur, but the IDEA is the same…
ahh… never mind…
I think it’s actually great for the Chinese to go with this kind of spine even in the early models of the plane. I won’t be surprised to see some CFTed J-10s soon.
hmm… this maybe?
http://www.helis.com/inc/dibu.php?m=1&s=../h/lk1700.jpg
if not, you should search for it here:
http://www.helis.com/70s/
and maybe here:
http://www.helis.com/60s/
What’s the cemetary behind the A-10A in the pic MirageIII posted?
And… Kurnass 688 showing Tel Aviv who is the boss 😎