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August 15, 2004 at 6:01 pm in reply to: Turkish Phantom Upgrades #2645540

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As been dicussed in Dutchy’s Phantoms thread, the rest of the TAF’s F-4s are pretty old and high timed airframes. I don’t think upgrading the older machines will be worthwhile…
But hey, it’s their money and their planes.

August 15, 2004 at 3:44 pm in reply to: Cancelled projects #2645588

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But Primer, you said that the MFT started in the late 80s. The AMX was in 1983. So who was before?

August 15, 2004 at 1:34 pm in reply to: Cancelled projects #2645639

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So indeed its design was quite revolutionary.
But it wasn’t alone of course. In that time, the trend of canards started, but indeed the Piranha looks like one of the pioneers.

August 15, 2004 at 1:22 pm in reply to: Cancelled projects #2645648

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In what years was the Swiss Piranha developed?
BTW, with the line drawings in that website, it would be easy for someone to create a CGI of this plane.
Not me though, I got all my spare time dedicated to a plastic model now.

August 15, 2004 at 1:01 pm in reply to: Cancelled projects #2645658

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I bet the MFT-LF is pretty much alive, in the AMX. Probably designed by the same people, this aircraft probably gave the Brazilians the basis for the AMX.

August 15, 2004 at 11:50 am in reply to: Cancelled projects #2645684

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A sub-forum for paper planes? hmm… 😎
I don’t think we’ll have enough information, not to say enough cancelled planes, that will justify a new sub-forum… 😮
BTW that Piranha looks like a close air support plane.

August 11, 2004 at 8:51 pm in reply to: Cancelled projects #2648479

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The first thing that was cancelld was the Boeing Super F-4 proposal, that was reengined with the PW1120s. It could have been an F-15E years earlier.

The SP took off eventually, made by IAI for the Israeli Air Force, that choose the less costly yet less effective Kurnass-2000.

Arye – a large twin engined fighter being designed by Israel in the late 70’s, cancelled because Israel got the F-15. The project was not a total waste, because much of the knowledge was used in the design of the Lavi.

Billy, not all of the Arye’s concepts were large and twined engined. Some were small and single engined, and as you mentioned, the Lavi was one of the conceptual designs of the Arye (#33).

I mean both Yugoslavia and Israel would’ve sold everything to everyone, and no political strings attached.

Srbin, the Lavi’s engine was American… that fact alone would have made it clear the Lavi wouldn’t be going anywhere without agreement from the US…

August 10, 2004 at 1:03 pm in reply to: Aviation Art #2649522

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Here’s a new work of mine.
A What If draw of the Lavi prototype A-5, that was supposed to be the last prototype and a single seater.
Hope you like it. Anyone alse here got new works?

August 9, 2004 at 11:08 pm in reply to: IAI likely to buy Dhruv helicopters for the IDF/AF #2649845

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Selling military items, you have to do some offsets. The Druvh looks a little bit oversized as replacement for some of the Bell 206. (Not all sold!) But why not, the S-70 missused for VIP-transportation is much more so.

Not all the Bells were sold, it’s true. Some of the 206s are in the flight academy.
But the Bell-212 is not serving any more, and the 212 was the VIP transport.
Now again, it’s an offset. We’ll pay less for the Dhruv than the S-70. Much less I think, when thinking about the Israeli involvement in the heli.
The Dhruv will be more a Bell-212 replacer than 206.
Remember though that when the Pope was here, he flew is a locally modified (just for him) Blackhawk. But as said in the full article in Globes, the IDF/AF wants to keep the Blackhawk fleet for its operational needs.

August 9, 2004 at 6:58 pm in reply to: Sanicole 2004 Pics #2650050

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No F-4s this time?
Nice pics.

August 8, 2004 at 7:45 pm in reply to: IAI likely to buy Dhruv helicopters for the IDF/AF #2650682

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Dan, first of all, we bought our Dolphins in the US, the American version with the US engines.
Second, the Atalef is for sea petroling, nothing like the job the Dhruv will carry out…

August 5, 2004 at 5:34 pm in reply to: Phantoms! #2652805

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Well Sahin, I believe that explains it. A large amount of the Turkish Air Force’s Phantoms are late production planes.
The IDF/AF’s planes were produced around 68′-69′. Not to mention the ex-USAF machines which are Vietnam veterans.
BTW, does the Turkish Air Force has a nickname or official Turkish name for its F-4s? for example, like we call them Kurnass?
And thanks Steve!

August 5, 2004 at 5:22 pm in reply to: Anyone can confirm newest FC1 with Grifo? #2652814

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To me it looks like a Mirage, III or V.

August 5, 2004 at 5:18 pm in reply to: IAI likely to buy Dhruv helicopters for the IDF/AF #2652818

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A purely econo-political deal. Not that there’s anything wrong with that, but don’t think it is anything more than that.

It might has some econo political basis, but just remember what the IDF/AF did for the Mirage – it boosted Dassault like hell, many countries bought the plane, and thousands of copies of the Mirage III and V were produced, again mostly because of its service record in the Israeli air force.

Most military deals are econ-political in nature aren’t they , nothing unusual about that…

Without the political basis, I’m pretty sure that the US’s military industries for example would be suffering just like any other aviation industry in the world.

I don’t think it has huge impact if Israel MIGHT buy a few cause of the financial advantages.

You can be sure that if it’s not good enough, the Israeli AF will not accept it – no matter the financial side of the deal.

Well, there is one reason why a purchase is unlikely. A lease however possible.

If the IDF/AF buys the plane they could not expect any money from the US for that buy. So they would have to pay the purchase aout of an already slim budget. A lease could be possible though.

The IAI will purchase the choppers, and the Israeli af will operate them and lease flight hours. Just like we did with the Grob-120, which is a completely German plane.

August 5, 2004 at 12:15 am in reply to: IAI likely to buy Dhruv helicopters for the IDF/AF #2653331

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Great choice

There was a news report two weeks ago about an Indian design house that was contracted by HAL to design VIP interiors for the Dhurv… coincidence?

Some nice pictures of your soon to be new toys :

I hope so.
I can see this baby is Israeli AF camo 😉

which quantaties?

We retired few dozens Bells. The fighting and rescue rules of the Bell-212 were taken by the Black Hawk. So in the end, I assume around 25 machines, maybe a bit more or less.
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