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  • in reply to: F-35, third restructure in three years #2341949
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    Defect by design—

    It seems there are more issues with the program.

    Today, Frank Kendall, head of weapons acquisition and development for the Department of Defense has said that, putting the Lockheed Martin F-35 Joint Strike Fighter into production before flight testing had started was “acquisition malpractice”.

    http://goo.gl/IfzVL

    Also, the U.S. Congress is not happy with the PR move of DOD’s boss Panetta removing the F-35B STOVL from the previous boss (Gate’s) “probation”.

    After all, it did look like a PR move given all of the defects with the jet.

    http://goo.gl/GPGbT

    in reply to: F-35, third restructure in three years #2354427
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    The senator has a vivid imagination about the F-35s alleged ability maybe he is wrong about this too:

    U.S. Senator–Export F-35, ‘not going to be the most advanced version’

    See left sidebar at this link:

    http://goo.gl/3yNbT

    in reply to: F-35, third restructure in three years #2355438
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    Ignored in the U.S. defense budget discussion was the over-hyped “value” of STOVL fast jets.

    http://goo.gl/4b0Sa

    in reply to: F-35, third restructure in three years #2357170
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    Once source is a cut of 179 F-35s over FY2013-2017.

    Not a bad idea because many of the more severe mistakes will not see a solid fix until 2016 at the earliest.

    Jan. 25 (Bloomberg) — The Pentagon will propose spending about $9.2 billion to buy 29 Lockheed Martin Corp. F-35 jets in its fiscal 2013 budget, 13 fewer than previously planned, U.S. officials said.

    The reduction is part of a decision to delay purchasing 179 of the fighters beyond 2017 to continue development, testing and correction of deficiencies, according to the officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity in advancement of a Defense Department announcement.

    The plan to purchase 62 F-35s in fiscal 2014 is being reduced to 29, according to budget data. The request for 2015 is dropping to 44 from 81, and the planned purchase for 2016 will decline to 61 from 108.

    http://www.businessweek.com/news/2012-01-25/lockheed-f-35-said-to-be-cut-by-13-planes-in-pentagon-s-plan.html

    in reply to: F-35, third restructure in three years #2357955
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    They will not shut down the JSF, they have no choice with too much money sunk into it, they have to make it work, and I believe it will deliver, eventually 🙂

    –Certainly not in an election year. Which is what we saw the other day in the Panetta-Pax speech.

    in reply to: F-35, third restructure in three years #2358246
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    And the budget for that would come from where ? Would it really be a worthwhile investment with how many airframes ?

    Depends on the upgrades. Good question about the budget. Every dollar wasted on the Just So Failed takes cash away from other needed communities that actually provided value in the DOD.

    in reply to: F-35, third restructure in three years #2358427
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    F-35A is estimated as being a whopping 6 nautical miles short of it’s range requirement and that’s with a 5% margin not included in that figure that has been reserved for flight test purposes (safety margin mainly).

    That hasn’t been proven one way or the other, it’s just the estimate.

    The other variants are similarly short. If that is the worst issue the fighter has, then things will be looking considerably better than ELP tells us they are now.

    http://www.defensenews.com/article/20110512/DEFSECT01/105120304/F-35-s-Range-Falls-Short-of-Predictions

    Acceleration, I believe it is only the -C model that is not meeting it’s requirements, but all variants are finding the requirement “challenging” as Tom Burbage admitted the other week.

    Still, I imagine that if you lined up an F-16A with a full tank of fuel and an otherwise clean airframe and an F-35A with the same amount of fuel and otherwise free from stores and measured acceleration, I wonder if the same result would occur?

    The F-35A is measured with a full internal fuel load and 2x 2000lb JDAM’s and 2x AMRAAM’s against a clean airframe F-16 with a full internal fuel load but with no external stores.

    Hardly an apple to apple comparison.

    Thanks for adding that. I hadn’t seen that on the site, for at least 5 or 6 posts now, since ELP posted it a while back.

    If only Bill Sweetman could manage our fighter programs eh? I’m sure there wouldn’t be an issue then.

    Paper thin weight margins…. and no one has published an operational empty weight for each variant.

    in reply to: F-35, third restructure in three years #2358431
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    Apparently you completely missed the reality that the F-22 production line is closed, and will never re-open.

    Duh… I am talking about doing mods to current aircraft.

    in reply to: F-35, third restructure in three years #2358542
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    Well I’m sure you will tell us of any further problems with the F-35.

    As for the F-22 clearing the skies for the Super Hornet – doubt it! F-22 will be grounded (as usual) somewhere on the continental united states. Considering the Super Hornet operates off the big stick that is the US Super carrier fleet and has global reach.

    Super Hornet operating with HMD, AIM9X, AIM120D supported by tankers and AEW&C is a potent force to be reckoned with. It also has link 16 meaning it can actually TALK to the rest of the battle space unlike the F-22 which has its own datalink.

    And the Navy agrees.

    Add to that: fielding an obsolete carrier air wing that won’t be able to stand up to emerging threats. Hope FA-XX and UCAS-N bring some value.

    While you are considering the F-22, consider it has growth-room. Something the F-35 (with paper-thin weight margins) will never see.

    The Super will be great for fighting ALLIED FORCE 1999 like threats. And while you are looking at it, consider that the Super Slow Hornet gives the fleet more value than the faulty F-35C concept.

    I wouldn’t hype the AMRAAM too much. Useful but when facing a target that can actually jam things then make it to the merge; where HOBS missiles rule, the fight will be parity at best.

    The concepts of HOBS along with maneuverability is irrelevant not doing so well with the Just So Failed. And the C and B may have left the deck that day without their gun. Not that the shaky/faulty helmet system gives them much hope of using it for A2A.

    in reply to: F-35, third restructure in three years #2358875
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    Second tier strike fighters. Curious as to what you actually mean by that. Could you point to some sort of document that displays what “second tier” means, or is it just something you feel is appropriate?

    The design requirement of the F-35. The requirement assumes that the F-22 will be needed for high end (aka anti-access) threats. This would be one example of why that is:

    http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Kl-Jz8swN4Y/Tx0TXbMoY8I/AAAAAAAABzc/lJZ0lPYOa4U/s1600/MaxPower5gManeuverEnvelope_F-22_F-15_F-35.jpg

    in reply to: F-35, third restructure in three years #2358887
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    Some of those performance claims are out of date too.

    Really? How? Has the Super magically gotten lighter somehow?

    in reply to: F-35, third restructure in three years #2358888
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    However if available, a JSF based force would be more capable than a Super Hornet fleet and more capability is always desirable, so long as we can afford it.

    Unfortunately it isn’t “tracking” that way. From the recent report DOT&E (of which there were warnings for some years.)

    Operational Assessment

    The JSF Operational Test Team completed an operational assessment of the F-35 program and determined that it is not on track to meet operational effectiveness or operational suitability requirements. The JSF Operational Test Team assessed the program based on measured and predicted performance against requirements from the JSF Operational Requirements Document, which was re-validated in 2009.

    in reply to: F-35, third restructure in three years #2358949
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    While you are concerned about the F-22. Just consider it does a few things real well. It offers huge deterrence. And if anyone is dumb enough to challenge it, the jet can dominate the air.

    The F-35 won’t be dominating anything except more negative news. The Super Hornet? Well, it will need the F-22 to clear the skies.

    BTW, best be careful with the sales work. Your position basically states that the Super Hornet is good enough for the threat and the F-35 will not be needed. Certainly given the outrageous problems and cost of the F-35. The entrenched Defence bureaucracy has not made their case for the F-35. And, ignoring all of its troubles ( the NACC 2011 “so what?” briefing, was a pretty poor idea.) I wonder who thought that up?

    Who should we send on gardening leave next?

    in reply to: F-35, third restructure in three years #2358952
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    Hi John,

    Tough times. Especially for the entrenched Australian Defence bureaucracy who has lots of work to do on the project of concern list.

    Here is some more background on the Super-Slow Hornet.


    -Bill Sweetman, Just How Super is the F/A-18E/F?, Interavia Business & Technology, April 1, 2000-

    -The Navy and Boeing have intensified a propaganda campaign. Unfortunately, the campaign is likely to damage their credibility in the long term, because it focuses on a few basic statements which don’t mean anything like as much as the casual reader is meant to think.

    For example: “The airplane meets all its key performance parameters.” This is true. In 1998 — as it became clear that the Super Hornet was slower, and less agile at transonic speeds than the C/D — the Navy issued an “administrative clarification” which declared that speed, acceleration and sustained turn rate were not, and had never been, Key Performance Parameters (KPP) for the Super Hornet. Apparently, some misguided people thought that those were important attributes for a fighter.-

    -Bill Sweetman, Watch Your Six Maverick, Interavia Business & Technology, February 1, 2000-

    -The Navy’s operational evaluation (Opeval) of the Super Hornet ended in November, and the report is expected late in February. It will probably find the Super Hornet to be operationally effective and suitable, because the impact of any other recommendation would be devastating, but the Navy will have to do some deft manoeuvring to avoid charges that the report is a whitewash.-

    -Bill Sweetman, Super Hornet gathers speed, but critics keep pressure on, Interavia Business & Technology, March 1, 1999-

    -The Pentagon has conceded that the MiG-29 and Su-27 can out-accelerate and out-turn all variants of the F/A-18 in most operating regimes, and that the E/F in turn cannot stay up with the older C/D through much of the envelope.

    Navy data from early 1996 (published in a General Accounting Office report) showed that the new aircraft was expected to have a lower thrust-to-weight ratio than the late-production (Lot XIX) F/A-18C/D with the General Electric F404-GE-402 engine. Its maximum speed in a typical air-to-air configuration would be Mach 1.6, versus Mach 1.8 for the smaller aircraft. In the heart of the air-combat envelope, between 15,000 and 20,000 feet and at transonic speed, the Lot XIX aircraft would hold a specific excess power (Ps) of 300 ft/sec out to Mach 1.2, while its larger descendant could not hold the same Ps above Mach 1.0.-

    The real shocker being that in its Block II form, it beats the F-35 for value all the way around. Especially since both are second tier strike fighters.

    in reply to: F-35, third restructure in three years #2359104
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    Thanks for you usual high standard of reply, highly informative, well structured 🙂

    Don’t fear, I understand there are forums where if you state anything negative against the Australian Defence bureaucracy and the F-35 topic you are corrected. If it persists you get banned.

    Fortunately, that will not happen here.

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