HauntedSeaOriginal poster was merely referring to the red blotch just below the cockpit. He mistook the 114 sqn badge for Syrian markings.
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HauntedSeayeah, no. it’s the squadron badge
HauntedSeaBut my point was, why Is Israel shouting that an independent nation is attacking towards them?
Because besides being a Lebanese party and holding seat in the Lebanese parliament, Hizbullah also has a member in the Lebanese government, the minister for Water and Energy, the most esteemed Mohammad Fneish
The only difference is that we actually have an army and working government to drive that kind of mob out of our southern parts (hope that they causes as much structual damage to the estates of people of Espoo :p ) where as Lebanon doesen’t…
Tell that to Mr. Fneish. Or Mr Siniora, who according to the above link ‘was “proud” of Hizbullah’s chief representative Mohammad Fneish’s participation in the ministry’. Did someone say RESPONSIBILITY?
HauntedSeaBut my point was, why Is Israel shouting that an independent nation is attacking towards them?
Because besides being a Lebanese party and holding seat in the Lebanese parliament, Hizbullah also has a member in the Lebanese government, the minister for Water and Energy, the most esteemed Mohammad Fneish
The only difference is that we actually have an army and working government to drive that kind of mob out of our southern parts (hope that they causes as much structual damage to the estates of people of Espoo :p ) where as Lebanon doesen’t…
Tell that to Mr. Fneish. Or Mr Siniora, who according to the above link ‘was “proud” of Hizbullah’s chief representative Mohammad Fneish’s participation in the ministry’. Did someone say RESPONSIBILITY?
HauntedSeaDidn’t cross your mind that Syrians were driven from the Lebanese by purely political ways? Also the hizzbollah is as some might so nicely say “religious nutcase extremist” so how do you expect lebanese government to use political pressure on them??? Lebanon has no military means to drive them off and cutting down the support of hizbollah among it’s citizen is purely impossiple.
If Israel attacks on lebanese targets (other than hizbollah) it’s the one doing the agression not lebanese. About time to get this sorry-ass EU of ours to do something to prevent a true war breaking out once again in that region…
7 Israeli soldiers have been killed, 2 abducted in an unprovoked attack by a political party operating out of Lebanon. Israel’s sole obligation is to its soldiers and citizens, not to make heads or tails of Lebanon’s internal problems. What would you have it do? Sit idly by and accept Hizbullah’s blackmail? No, this is where the Lebanese government makes it choices, weak or not. Israel will not sit idly by and allow itself to be blackmailed by the Hizbullah simply because the Lebanese government has its problems. This is not someone else’s problem – you are the sovereign, you bear the resposibility. Return the soldiers or face the Israeli retrebution. Can’t? RESIGN.
HauntedSeaDidn’t cross your mind that Syrians were driven from the Lebanese by purely political ways? Also the hizzbollah is as some might so nicely say “religious nutcase extremist” so how do you expect lebanese government to use political pressure on them??? Lebanon has no military means to drive them off and cutting down the support of hizbollah among it’s citizen is purely impossiple.
If Israel attacks on lebanese targets (other than hizbollah) it’s the one doing the agression not lebanese. About time to get this sorry-ass EU of ours to do something to prevent a true war breaking out once again in that region…
7 Israeli soldiers have been killed, 2 abducted in an unprovoked attack by a political party operating out of Lebanon. Israel’s sole obligation is to its soldiers and citizens, not to make heads or tails of Lebanon’s internal problems. What would you have it do? Sit idly by and accept Hizbullah’s blackmail? No, this is where the Lebanese government makes it choices, weak or not. Israel will not sit idly by and allow itself to be blackmailed by the Hizbullah simply because the Lebanese government has its problems. This is not someone else’s problem – you are the sovereign, you bear the resposibility. Return the soldiers or face the Israeli retrebution. Can’t? RESIGN.
HauntedSeaI get your point, but then again what does Lebanon gotta do with hizbollah, other than the obvious, providing the groundbase for them? I mean at least the news in here tells about Israelisi crying the new kidnappings being act of war from independent nation…??…What independent nation? Even the most blindeye israeli suporters can see that Hizbollah isen’t the same as Lebanon government…not even near…
The Lebanese government has had 6 years to deploy its army to the south and has failed to done so, even after the Syrian departure. All this while, the Hizbullah has been allowed to participate in the political process, yet at the same time to maintain an indepedent army of its own. If the Hizbullah is not the Lebanese government, they should have disarmed it. They managed to get the Syrians out, yet have decided not exercise their sovereignty when it comes to Israel and Hizbullah. Fine, by not doing so, and as the sovereign power in Lebanon, they are complicit in the actions undertaken by its own armed citizens. If they can’t, let them say so. Instead, thus far they are embracing Hizbullah’s moves, as they’ve just declared. Everyone makes their choices, and the Lebanese government has clearly made its own.
HauntedSeaI get your point, but then again what does Lebanon gotta do with hizbollah, other than the obvious, providing the groundbase for them? I mean at least the news in here tells about Israelisi crying the new kidnappings being act of war from independent nation…??…What independent nation? Even the most blindeye israeli suporters can see that Hizbollah isen’t the same as Lebanon government…not even near…
The Lebanese government has had 6 years to deploy its army to the south and has failed to done so, even after the Syrian departure. All this while, the Hizbullah has been allowed to participate in the political process, yet at the same time to maintain an indepedent army of its own. If the Hizbullah is not the Lebanese government, they should have disarmed it. They managed to get the Syrians out, yet have decided not exercise their sovereignty when it comes to Israel and Hizbullah. Fine, by not doing so, and as the sovereign power in Lebanon, they are complicit in the actions undertaken by its own armed citizens. If they can’t, let them say so. Instead, thus far they are embracing Hizbullah’s moves, as they’ve just declared. Everyone makes their choices, and the Lebanese government has clearly made its own.
HauntedSeaAnother One
12 8 A Kibbutz Kfar Giladi
see more images at:
http://www.fresh.co.il/dcforum/Army/10033.html
HauntedSeaI’m a little interested in this from here…
Forced to land???
It didn’t land in Lod, it landed in the Mediterranean off Tel Aviv. Ezer Weizmann, in his memoirs, mentions taking a boat to meet the crew of the Sunderland.
HauntedSeaLater, Goodlin joined a group of pilots flying Spitfires in defense of the newly-established state of Israel, and also played a role in the formation of the Israeli Air Force.
Goodlin was involved in that well known incident between the IDF/AF and RAF on January 7 1949. He shot down an RAF Spitfire, supposedly the one flown by Geoff Cooper.
HauntedSeaAlthough I have a copy of the then current log book of TE554/20-57 from 1990, I would still be open to suggestions that it might not actually be TE554.
I suspect Karel Posta’s ‘special’ Spitfire may have played an input in here somewhere. It became 20-58 and would have been the obvious choice for a commander’s aircraft.
A valid point. Take a look at the wingtips on 57 in that last photo I suggested, and compare those with any photo of Black 57 :diablo: . What does it mean? Absolutely nothing, Black 57 is known to have gone through several overhauls in its career and has had its wing replaced. Still, fuel for the fire …
Is this site the Hebrew side of the ‘Wings48’ site?
Oh no, its a site by local aviation enthusiasts, dedicated to Israeli aviation in general. for another gem, scroll down to the bottom of http://www.iafe.net/ma/b-17.htm , for the biggest gallery of Israeli B-17s you’re ever likely to see.
HauntedSeaTwo links for you Hebrew speakers out there. There rest of you will just have to believe me!
Total speculation but plausible. May have no basis in fact whatever.
It’s not only plausible, it’s actually a fact. Weizmann’s Black Spit is modelled after the Faid Spit.
( http://www.iaf-museum.org.il/site/museum.asp?pi=14&doc_id=135 )
It has struck me as strange that no image of 20-57 has ever surfaced in the pre-black scheme.
Israeli spitfires surviving around the world at http://www.iafe.net/ma/spit.htm . Halfway through is Black 57 – check out the bottom photo. It isn’t very good, but it’s not black either.
HauntedSeaF-4’s in other countries would be nice as well, but I would’t know where to look. I suppose I should scramble it to find out….
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Try Decimomannu in Sardinia – loads of F-16s, including what looks like IDF/AF birds, plus F-4s.
HauntedSeaAnybody tried finding Egyptian Phantoms? I know they are based at Cairo West, but I’m not sure if I found the base or not. I looked all over Cairo, but I’m not sure where to specifically look.
Can anyone help?
No, but take a look at nearby Cairo Almaza, specifically the western tip of the field, above and to the right of the C-130s.
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