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  • in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #819717
    ianwoodward9
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    This is a bit off-topic but it does concern air activity around Portugal in WWII.

    I seem to recall reading that the British authorities were anxious to establish the nature of the radar used by the FW200 Condors operating over the Bay of Biscay, spotting and bombing Atlantic convoys. They wanted to know how advanced the airborne German radar systems were, for which they needed fairly close-up photographs. The story was that the FW200s often made low passes over Portuguese fishing boats, so a financial incentive was offered to fishermen who could provide good quality, close photographs of any aircraft they saw from their boats.

    Does this story ring any bells with anyone?

    in reply to: Old Aviation Advertisements #819794
    ianwoodward9
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    This is an Icelandair advert featuring a Viscount. It is from an undated booklet but it appears to be from around March 1960:

    in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #819808
    ianwoodward9
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    This is the same as the previous post but more legible:

    in reply to: Old Aviation Advertisements #820231
    ianwoodward9
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    I’ve re-sized the above image. I hope it’s a bit clearer:

    in reply to: Old Aviation Advertisements #820235
    ianwoodward9
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    Here’s a Silver City advert from 1959 (around mid-year, I believe):

    in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #820785
    ianwoodward9
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    In the article below, which was published in February 1943 but refers to 1942, there are several references to Lisbon.

    One of the routes shown for the BOAC Liberators is UK-Lisbon. There is nothing about flying on to Gibraltar, though the details of some BOAC services were restricted for security reasons.

    One of the routes given for the BOAC Boeing 314As is Baltimore-Bermuda-Lisbon-UK, though I don’t recall seeing any photographs of BOAC’s Boeing 314As at Lisbon. There is no specific reference to their use of Foynes, though the entry for the Albatross and Whitley aircraft shows the service from Whitchurch to Eire was to connect not only with Pan Am and American Export flights but also ‘Boeing Services’.

    Not unexpectedly, the BOAC/KLM DC-3 service to Lisbon is included (the Stockholm Run is not, presumably for security reasons).

    The Short S.26 service to Lisbon is included

    Moving my focus elsewhere and to follow up on previous mentions of BOAC’s Wellingtons in this thread, these are given as flying the Cairo-Karachi service and, along with other types, services from Cairo to the Western Desert.

    in reply to: How Low Can You Go (2018 and onwards) #820910
    ianwoodward9
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    Somewhat earlier than some of the previous posts, this is one of three original 8″ x 6″ photographs of the Avro Tudor II G-AGSU that I was given long ago. Stuck on the back of this one is a small strip of paper, on which is typed, “The Avro Tudor II flying very low on a test flight at A.V. Roe’s aerodrome, Manchester”, to which is added the date – 3 April 1946.

    in reply to: Old Aviation Advertisements #821053
    ianwoodward9
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    This is a 1937 advert for Hawker Aircraft Ltd:

    in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #821152
    ianwoodward9
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    This is just a random thought really.

    Is there any possibility that the appearance of all these BOAC aircraft at Lisbon on 6 June 1943, so soon after the shooting down of the BOAC/KLM DC-3 G-AGBD on 1 June, was a show of strength? That the Reuters correspondent had been alerted to their coming? Or had been provided with details of their comings and goings that day?

    I’m not suggesting that any of these flights was unnecessary, since they were presumably trying to make up for the cessation of the service after the shooting down of ‘GBD, but seven of the aircraft then flew on to Gibraltar. Could all or any of those seven aircraft not have flown directly to Gibraltar without a stop at Lisbon?

    And, if I am correct in suggesting that there was a propaganda element to this, then it would not be surprising that a photographer was present to photograph it all.

    As I said at the start of this post, this is just a random thought on my part but it would interesting to see if there was any coverage in the British national press in the days just after 6 June 1943. Unfortunately, I do not have access to those newspapers here.

    Can anybody help me out here?

    in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #821820
    ianwoodward9
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    As before, lazy8, thank you very much for your valuable contribution.

    I had kept open the possibility that the Dakota in the photograph was G-AGHE, despite the mention of Leuchars on the registration document, because Nils Mathisrud (in his book “The Stockholm Run”) shows no record of it ever flying into Bromma on the Stockholm Run. It did seem odd that a Dakota, supposedly ‘allocated’ to Leuchars, should not have made a single trip there.

    The Reuters report is quite specific as to the number of aircraft coming from Britain in total and the number flying on to Gibraltar. It also refers to ‘landplanes’, so is clearly excluding from the figures any flying boat services that day.

    One of the photographs (see Post # 143 on Page 5 of this thread) shows seven BOAC aircraft on the Portela tarmac, including one BOAC/KLM DC-3. The photo above (in Post # 384) shows five aircraft and the other photo (post # 170 on Page 6) also shows five. If the reprint quality of the third photo were a bit better, we might well be able identify the aircraft shown but, if all three photographs were taken on the same day, there has to be some reason for the presence of so many BOAC aircraft being there together. The resumption of services after a break would seem a logical explanation.

    As before, I welcome contributions, including those that contradict what I’ve proposed. This is the way we learn and get closer to what actually happened and when.

    in reply to: Old Aviation Advertisements #821878
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    I had a quick scroll through the Short Brothers section of the ‘Aviation Ancestry’ website which has some great-looking examples (including a couple done, very attractively, in woodcut-style) but I don’t think this particular advert is among them. Of course, my eyes could just have been getting blasé with all the ‘treasure’ to be found there but, even so, the image below is very striking anyway.

    in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #821925
    ianwoodward9
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    The fly in this particular ointment has been the BOAC Dakota in one photograph, the relevant part of which is shown below.

    This Dakota was thought to be G-AGHS, which was not registered until 16 September 1943, suggesting that the photograph must have been taken later in the year.

    However, could it possibly not be G-AGHS but either G-AGHE or G-AGHF?

    If so, G-AGHE is possible because it was registered on 5 May 1943 but its base was given as Leuchars.

    G-AGHF was registered on 10 May 1943 and its base given as Whitchurch – UK home to the Lisbon Run – so seems to me to be, of the two Dakota, the more likely to have been in the Portela Airport photos.

    What do you think? Could it be G-AGHF rather than G-AGHS?

    Once again, confirmation or brickbats would be most welcome.

    in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #821943
    ianwoodward9
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    Further to the two previous posts, BOAC acquired five Liberator IIIs around this time, which were: G-AGFN, G-AGFO, G-AGFP, G-AGFR and G-AGFS.

    G-AGFN was registered in October 1942, getting its Certificate of Airworthiness the next month, and the other four were registered in April 1943.

    Of these four, only two had got a Certificate of Airworthiness by June 1943, namely G-AGFS on 15 April 1943 and G-AGFR on 12 May 1943.

    G-AGFO did not receive its C. of A. until 28 July 1943 and G-AGFP until 16 January 1944.

    Based on this, the three Liberators in the photos could be: G-AGFN, G-AGFR and G-AGFS.

    G-AGFR and ‘GFS are certainly in the photographs as their registration markings can be read and the third Liberator, for which only G-AGF part of the markings is visible in the photograph, would have to be G-AGFN.

    I would be interested to hear if anyone can produce documentary evidence to prove or disprove this.

    in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #821946
    ianwoodward9
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    Just out of interest, on 6 June 1943, Reuters reported that “air traffic between Britain and Portugal was resumed today”. This was after “a few days interruption”, presumably following the shooting down of the BOAC/KLM DC-3 carrying Leslie Howard on 1 June 1943.

    Reuters also reported that “eleven land planes” arrived at Lisbon that day and, “soon after their arrival, seven left for Gibraltar”.

    The Reuters report ended, “Others are leaving soon for England”.

    Could the photograph have been taken on 6 June 1943, I wonder?

    Does this explain why the disposition of aircraft on the tarmac is different in a couple of the photographs in earlier posts in this thread (aircraft coming and going at different times)?

    in reply to: WWII Flights To Lisbon #821953
    ianwoodward9
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    Getting back to Lisbon specifically, the photo and caption below come from the on-line Flight archive. Here is the link:

    https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1943/1943%20-%201682.html?search=Lisbon

    The photograph appeared, as you will see if you open the link, in the 1 July 1943 issue. BOAC Dakotas (as opposed to the KLM/BOAC DC-3s) were reported as serving the Lisbon route from part way through May 1943, which would mean that the photograph was taken in May or June 1943, most likely the latter.

    This photo, and others surely taken the same day, were posted or referred to in a number of earlier posts in this thread (#143, #144, #160, #170 and #173 are the ones I’ve noted). If June 1943 is correct month for the photo(s), then some of the commentary in those posts (including my own) needs to be reviewed and likely amended.

    Further comments (and corrections) will be most welcome.

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