Regarding the talk of a naval version of the Pantsir-S1 system – I’ve never seen it. Anyone have pictures?
Well they could buy/use the Sapsan. It is inferior to Damocles, but I bet it would still get the job done.
The problem is there’s no indication Sapsan is even ready, and certainly no news about them wanting to buy it. The fact is that Russia relies on France for its thermal imaging technology, because their own technology is far too costly and immature. All Russian T-90As, for example, have Thales Catherine-FC (and more advanced Catherine-XP, IIRC) thermal imagers intergrated. Before that, only a fraction of original T-90s (cast turret) had indigenous ‘Agava’ first-generation thermal imagers, which were extremely costly to make (built basically by hand). The rest had the old obsolete Buran-P/A image intensification sights.
They need Damocles, badly. Its the only way the Su-34s (and Su-35s, too- heck anything they want to drop PGMs from) will reach full ground attack potential, equivalent to what NATO forces can do with their targeting pod (like the latest American Sniper-XR).
Speaking of, does anyone know what thermal imagers the Mi-28N is equipped with? I know the Mi-24PN is equipped with indigenous Russian ‘Zarevo’ sight, which is itself an adaptation of the ‘Nocturn’ sight for tanks, but yeah, its nowhere near in the class of the third generation TIs the West has.
Platan can be used at night can’t it?
No. It has no thermal imaging channel. Its purely a TV/laser targeting system. Maybe it has an LLTV function, I don’t know, but thats hardly good enough.
Exactly what kind of capability do the on-board PLATAN FLIR designator have now?
Nothing.
Its of course not hard to see why Russia wants to produce it under licence, or why France is having issues with it – because Russia will use the technical know-how and manufacturing plant used to make Damocles to make their own pods and develop their own TI technology.
Last I heard the talks have stalled. The Russians want to acquire the licence to produce it in Russia while the French are reluctant to do so.
Ugh. Great, so Russia remains without a targeting pod of any kind.
It hopefully means that they’ve got enough experience building the Pr. 2038 series that by the time they’re up to the Pr. 20385s they’ll be way faster.
Any news on Damocles targeting pods for the VVS?
Looks like Soobrazitelny and Boiky are going to be ready within a short time of each other, no?
Thanks for the info re Gibka guys. How come the Kulakov never had SAMs whilst it was in the Soviet Navy?
Well, their close in protection was good- Kinzhal is/was an excellent system. Now it has crappy Gibka in the front. Some modernization :(.
http://twower.livejournal.com/520535.html
There’s more to modernization than just weapons. Scroll down until you see the displays one of the crew is using.
(I can’t see Gibka in front, to be honest)
There were none to put on it, and the production capability apparently does not exist (nobody is restarting it for one set). So instead we get Gibka.
Ah. Oh well, I suppose its just a stop gap. The Udaloy destroyers never had a significant air-defence capability to begin with.
No problem repairing them is one thing, putting an essentially brand new system is another. Look no further than Kulakov, and the front Kinzhal array (or lack of it).
Can you elaborate on this? Why doesn’t the Admiral Kulakov have a front Kinzhal array?
So, is the Project 20380 really canceled? Will they only build the units they currently have under construction, and then start all over again with a new design? Is the design a “failure”?
Same question with the Project 677 – the author appears to assume that the Project 636 is being procured for the Black Sea Fleet due to Project 677’s technical problems branding it an irredeemable “failure”.
If true, what does this say about Russia’s shipbuilding industry, where the new designs they’ve introduced are, so far – (allegedly) rubbish?
News reports would indicate a ZPU. Wikipedia claims ZU-23, for what that’s worth. It definitely wasn’t a missile, though.
Aren’t the only flare dispensers that article is talking about Ukrainian?
Anyway, the article claims the Russians are getting Mi-35Ms? Eh??
Re: Su-27SM: Neither have I , but the idea was floated by a number of posters around the intrawebs. I believe it has merit considering Su-27SM improved (engines for one, AL-31MF1 was not around in the first examples) during the production for the first two polks, and generally that has been the trend with recent Russian aviation (Su-34 gets slightly improved with every batch). Of course, the change could be non-existant or some small software thing. I am hoping for new radar, after all these are not “upgrades” of old airframes.
You sure about that? I’m sure AL-31FM1 was always what equipped the Su-27SM. In any event, even if it wasn’t, I’m sure they’ve all been equipped with them now.
Very interesting. Supposedly 4 new Su-27SMs were spotted over Novosibirsk, part of the 12 ordered at MAKS 2009. Potentially more advanced than previous SMs.
I’ve not read anything to indicate they’d be any different?
Anyway, the Mi-28N crash is sad news – any idea of the name of the deceased, and the identity of the aircraft?