Pardon me for my cynicism, but if a press release is all you need to get an aircraft built, then the A-12 Avenger 2, NATF, MiG 1.44, and a throng of others would have been flying and in service by now.
I don’t see where anyone ever argued that it did, I just thought it was a good opener to a general thread.
Given Russia’s problems, I’m doubtful that this aircraft will ever appear.
I’m not.
From what I have read I think the Su-30 is for export because the Su-34 is considered too capable… they are putting all their best stuff in it. Having said that the Su-34 is in the Russia’s Arms export catalog 2001-2002, so they might sell it if the right customer comes along, but it is more likely they’d want them to buy a Su-30 instead.
Well, the Tu-160 is in Russia’s Arms too- surely that’s not for export 🙂
How much would Russia charge for the heavily upraded Su-39? I know the Scorpion upgrade costs about 10mn from Georgia!
No idea- prices for aircraft are always guess-work. It’d be more expensive, surely. But the Su-25KM can’t do what Su-25TM can.
There’s a rougher, hand-drawn pic out as well- it lacks the inward canted tail fins though.
Whether it will look anything like this remains to be seen- probably it’ll undergo the same sort of changes that took place from the YF-22 to the F-22.
The Yemeni AF is supposed to be getting SMTs. Not sure on the radar fit though.
Zhuk-ME apparently.
Wow so sad that such a good bird not only has a bad loosing record due to being in pretty ovewhelming conditions it is being screwed by RuAF now that Su-27 has been given priority.
They should’ve upgraded at least a third of the Mig-29s so SMT is in service with someone.
The RuAF wants to upgrade to MiG-29SMT, they just don’t have the money to do everything.
How about MiG-29BM?
What differs from MiG29-SMT?..except the name…?
The Belarussian upgrade? Very little known about- probably equivalent to MiG-29SM.
The extended range version is only extended to 200km. Unless they change the electronics too, I’d rather have a Yakhont.
I would too. The Oniks/Yakhont is the little-brother of Granit, and is definitely a more advanced missile. I suppose the Chinese just want commonality.
IMO the Su-25TM/Su-39 counts as a new aircraft for CAS- it really is a whole new beast from the Su-25.
Because Russia doesn’t have the money is why I think the Su-27IB/Su-34 isn’t appropriate- it’d be like using the F-15E for CAS. You certainly couldn’t by enough to do both long range strike and CAS- and besides, it’s such a waste of all that extra capability, and an unacceptable risk to an extremely valuable aircraft.
The Su-25TM is a relatively cheap aircraft by comparison.
Well, the R-27AE is based off the long-burn versions of the R-27, so I assume it might have had greater range, but really, there’s no reason why the R-27AE should have a superior seeker. I also understand it couldn’t deal with targets maneuvering as hard as the R-77 can (awkward sentence, but you know what i mean).
But still, the R-77M is sure to outperform the R-27AE.
On Yakhont. Are the Chinese getting it? I heard a while ago that the new 956EM Sovremenny DDGs will have their SS-N-22s replaced with the Yakhont.
I don’t think so- according to the latest news regarding those two new build destroyers, they’ll be armed with extended range variants of the Moskit SSMs. Someone should have the exact 3M80??? designation here. Was posted a while ago.
The new R-27EP is a passive homer? So how does it home? On enemy fighter radar emissions?
On any airborne radar transmissions, presumably. That’s what the ‘P’ stands for- passive. Good for killing AWACS I’d say.
Is there still an active radar version of the R-27 on the way?
The active-radar version of the R-27 was the R-27AE. It’s development was halted- the R-77 is already there and available for export, with the improved R-77M and ramjet-powered variant (RVV-AE-PD) in development- seems like a needless duplication of scarce resources.
The R-77 will be the next missile ‘family’.
Old? yeah, I have had it stored for a while.
It’s carriage of both an NPOMash Alfa and a Raduga Kh-41 is interesting though- they love loading up the Su-34 with huge representative loads.
Alfa is the air launched version of Novator’s Klub complex, not Yakhont-Oniks. Different company.
No, if you check this out:
http://www.milparade.ru/market/paid/020/08_02.htm
There are actually two Alfa missiles:
Novator “AFM-L Alfa” aka “Klub”. “Alfa” designation has fallen into disuse over the years.
NPO Mashinostroyeniya Alfa- the LACM of Yakhont.
See this image:

Same missile as on that Su-27IB prototype.
Novator wouldn’t advertise their Alfa right next to NPO Mashinostroyeniya’s product.
I’m not sure if Kh-35 (air launched version of the Switchblade aka Uran) ever came into service. I don’t think it ever was. All the specs of the SU-30, SU-27 upgrade and MiG-29 upgrade never included the missile, unlike the Kh-31A, who is also made by the same company Zvezda. So it makes it an improbable. I have never seen a picture of one actually being caried in flight or fired. The sea launched version is in service.
Well, I’m only going off Jane’s. Varying dates are given (from the 80s, which seems unlikely) to the 1990s (1992 testing, 1995 cleared for service on various types- which doens’t mean it’s been acquired, however). I think the 90s figure is more accurate (from the Uran entry, rather than the Kh-35 entry).
The RuAF isn’t going to adopt every proposal or missile made in that list. it seems that every missile company in Russia is offering each of their own alternative—Raduga on the Kh-41 Moskit, Novator on the Alfa, Beriev on the Yakhont, Zvezda on the Krypton and the Kayak. It will come down to picking one and discarding the rest. Chances are it will fall on the Yakhont M for the big one and the Kh-31A Krypton for the small part. The reason for saying this is nowadays, with the Russian budgets so tight, they have to rely on foreign customers to subsidize development of such projects. Those that won’t attract a potential customer from China or India are unlikely to be ever finished.
I still think there’s a place for Kh-37 and the 3M24M1 though, considering their export to various nations. All the air-launched version are is the sea launched one without the booster.
I choose the Yakhont because of the connections with Brahmos, and the Kh-31A because it’s bought by the Chinese. Both missiles have in effect guaranteed futures.
Oniks also has a guaranteed future with the RuN (on the Yasen SSN, Steregushchy frigate/corvette, Scorpion).
A Kh-31A Mod 2 with increased range (up to 100km) is said to be in development, probably for an export customer (China tops the list).
Yup Kh-31AD, like Kh-31PD I heard about in a JED article called “Crimson SEAD” (about Soviet/Russian ARMs/aircraft and SEAD tactics).
The Kh-59ME (and a new longer ranged Kh-59MeH under works), also known as the Kazoo, is a dual purpose misisle that can both be used against ground targets and ships. Status is uknown with the RuAF but it’s already operational with the Chinese air force. If the Uran is to the Russians what the Harpoon is to the US, the Kh-59ME would be to the Russians what the SLAM is to the US.
The original Kh-59 was rather quickly supplanted in service by the Kh-59M- first seen in public in 1991, the Kh-59M entered Soviet service in the 80s. Oriignal Kh-59 first appeared in 1982. Both are still in use though (saw a Kh-59 underneath an Su-34 at MAKS 03).
I could’ve been wrong aobut Kh-59MEh- sometimes some sources do say the “E” on an export weapon as “Eh” instead- like Zhuk-MEh. Who knows what it really means. But in theory, an extended range version of the Kh-59M is of course possible using Kh-59MK principles.
For ship to ship, the list is much longer from the Granit to the Sunburn and to the Uran. A longer ranged Sunburn is being developed for the Chinese Navy, so once again, the Russians don’t have to spend any development dollars on this missile if they want to use it for their own. Klubs is already a sure thing should the RuN wants to get this, with both Indian and Chinese customers guaranteed.
It would depend on a longer range variant I’d say- the RuN has no reason to restrict themselves to ~280ish km like the Chinese and Indian exports have to.
Well by the time Su-25 and other versions are retired Su-34 should be entering service, so therefore instead of making a whole new aircraft to relace the Frogfoots, use the Su-34 as a CAS aircraft, I mean let it use all that armor 😛
Yeah, but the Su-39 isn’t in service. It’s still in development/ state tests- they recently upped it’s max warload for example. It’s a much more effective CAS option- cheaper, more heavily protected, and with an appropriate tank killing fire control system (Shkval with Vikhr ATGMs).
I think intergration of some sort of anti tank missile like Super Vikhr would be easy right?(or the newest anti tank missile with humongous range)
Yeah, Hermes-A would be a good idea.
I don’t see whu Su-34 cannot become the best CAS aircraft in the World 😛
It’s just too pricey- it would be effective, but it’s just too capable to do it cost effectively.
It’s the Alfa, the land attack version of Oniks/Yakhont. *Old* pciture though.
The MiG-29SM was only a proposed upgrade, it didn’t enter service- superseded by the MiG-29SMT proposal too.
The 9.13 and 9.13S are the only ‘fatback’ models in service. Only a small amount of 9.13S too (one regiment worth, I think).