Low-priority launch for Russia’s next fighter
PIOTR BUTOWSKI JDW Correspondent
BerlinSukhoi has been selected as the prime contractor to develop Russia’s next-generation PAK FA fighter aircraft, because “its pilot project met in a better way the whole set of criteria”, according to Maj Gen Sergei Kolyadin, chairman of the Military-Science Committee of the Russian Federation Air Forces (RFAF).
Speaking during the ILA 2002 international aerospace exhibition in Berlin earlier this month, the official said other considerations in making the decision included Sukhoi’s financial stability, design bureau experience and its high level of design activity over the past decade.
The official selection of Sukhoi to head the programme was made during a 26 April session of the governmental Military-Industrial Committee headed by Prime Minister Mikhail Kasyanov.
Gen Kolyadin said that the PAK FA programme will continue at the research and development level, with the modernisation of existing aircraft to remain the top priority for the RFAF over the next few years.
Approved in 1999, the modernisation programme is being “revised upwards” to meet increased requirements, said the official. These efforts to enhance the capabilities of legacy aircraft and develop a new capability “are parallel programmes, based on common technological solutions”, said Gen Kolyadin, who believes the PAK FA “will be much better than the F-35 [Joint Strike Fighter] and equal to the F-22”.
A further development of the Su-47 Berkut demonstrator, which is nearing the completion of a supersonic flight-test programme, Sukhoi’s successful proposal is a more conventional design than the experimental aircraft and will not feature its forward-swept wings. Visually similar to the US fighters, the PAK FA will be around the size of the Su-27 (NATO reporting name: ‘Flanker’) fighter and heavier than previously planned.
The Russian Aircraft Corporation (RSK) MiG, which was Sukhoi’s main rival for leadership of the PAK FA project, proposed an aircraft with a tailless configuration and lighter by several tons to meet the requirement. Air force officials, however, described this more advanced concept as more technologically risky to develop.
The fate of the new programme depends to a large extent on the
position offered to RSK MiG, which is unhappy to participate at a level below Sukhoi.RSK MiG representatives continue to back what they claim to have been a superior PAK FA proposal. They have suggested that the company could continue to work on its own project in an attempt to try to reverse the government decision.
The organisation’s financial condition is another crucial factor: RSK MiG earlier this year also lost out to Sukhoi in a competition to equip the Russian armed forces with a new combat trainer (Jane’s Defence Weekly 27 March).
Russia’s Yakovlev design bureau participated in both projects and company officials told JDW that it could secure up to 30% of PAK FA workshare by providing short take-off and vertical landing (STOVL) systems and possibly other technologies. As with the US F-35 project, only some of the RFAF’s projected PAK FAs will feature a STOVL capability.
Gen Kolyadin said that a “concentration of technological, industrial and financial resources from the whole air industry” is essential for the successful realisation of the PAK FA fighter, and that schemes for financing the work from the state budget and the aviation enterprises will be created shortly.
Russian officials did not mention possible international co-operation on the project during the Berlin air show, although such a solution was until recently considered as an important source of income to support the programme.
Sukhoi is expected before year-end to submit a schedule of work on the PAK FA project to a government committee. This will include the division of project activities between all three companies. A more advanced draft of the PAK FA requirement should be ready before the end of 2003 “and then the decision will be taken concerning further work”, said Gen Kolyadin.
May 2002. Maybe the heavier than previously planned is the 21 tonnes vs 20 tonnes?
Originally posted by aerospacetech
[B]If it weighs as much as an Su-27 they need to stop right now and think again.
Why? It’s the Su-27 that got them export sales, let lightning strike twice capability/etc wise. Frankly, anything less just isn’t good enough 🙂
Maybe thats why MiG have announced work on a new lightweight fighter… [/B]
Nup. The new lightweight fighter isn’t going to be 5th generation. It’s going to be a cheapie.
Just a note- the PAK FA will weigh about the same, if not slightly more than Su-27. The whole 20-21 tonne thing is obsolete.
I read this too, except it was in JED. No pictures unfortunately. The missiles would be 9M311M1, though.
Apparently, they’re upgrading existing Tunguskas. Makes sense.
Perhaps they’re their to go the ‘Su-30MKI route’. Specialized variants for export according to customer need. Or nothing might happen at all. The same Russian companies that participated in the Su-30MKI program have also been contracted for PAK FA, according to Jane’s.
Or, nothing could come of this French/Indian talk at all.
Do the Russians even have anywhere close the software expertise to develop the complicated software that the Raptor has? Or will they use US or European technology?
The team that developed the sensor fusion for the Su-27IB/Su-34 has also been contracted for the PAK FA project. With both the Raptor and the Su-27IB, they had to place the avionics suite/radar in an electronics testbed (converted commercial aircraft) to work all the bugs out. In the case of the F/A-22, they still ain’t worked out.
Also the F-22 has been in development since the 1980’s – how realistic is for the Russians to develop a totally new plane in 2 years (first flight 2006??) and have it in service within 8 (2012)?
Well, firstly, it’s not 2 years since the program and the work done for it didn’t begin the moment we began talking about it. However, of course there will be delays. There always are. It’s not like the F-22 program was a paragon of realism either ($35 million fly-away, in service in 1995 or something ….).
It seems to me that they are living in a vodka induced la-la land….:rolleyes:
By that standard, every single country has been.
Really? Pathetic. Why was this so necessary for Sewer Horror?
I’m sure there’s no danger of that. I hope. I take it you’re referring to the bulge that’s probably for holding ATFLIR (can’t see any other. ..)
Yeah- when I said primary weapon, what I really meant was weapons its most going to use, rather than weapons its primarily intended to deliver. The mysterious, unseen ‘Platan’ aiming complex is going to ensure that regular dumb iron is going to remain popular, if reports on its accuracy are anything to go by.
Re: Su-34
Perhaps one of the least discussed Russian Aircraft. I was wondering how good it’s Air-to-Surface capabilities were and could any other Flanker variant match it like the Su-35?
I am mostly keen to know about what anti shipping missiles it would carry and how good it’s radar is. It is sopposed to replace the Tu-22, but can it do the job as well?
It’s really an Su-24 replacement. The Tu-22M thing seems to just speculation; how it could possibly completely replace a much larger aircraft with greater range and payload, I don’t know.
No other Flanker can match it’s air-to-surface capabilities- it has the systems and avionics to be the best ground pounding Russian fighter-bomber yet made- it’s got over 1,000kg of armor on critical areas, the first shot the Russians are taking with “sensor fusion”, and supposedly an “active turbulence alleviation system” to deal with buffeting in low level flight, etc. It would take a lot more typing to go over it all.
In terms of anti ship missiles, it depends on what they want to intergrate on it. Kh-31s of course, Kh-35s and Kh-61s probably too. Maybe Kh-58MKs. But IMO it’s primary weapon will be GPS-guided bombs.
I swear, if Russia ever decides to try and reconstruct it’s historical holdings in a military fashion, I will cheer when they invade Turkmenistan.
A big part of the cost of JSF is going to be the installation of all sorts of “anti-tamper” devices to prevent export customers from stealing US technology.
I seriously doubt that ‘F-10A’ picture is anywhere *near* legit.
Re: China saves Raptor project
It’ll be only a few more years before grossly exaggerated estimates of the Chinese military “threat” to the United States appears in a publication similar to “Soviet military power”- complete with hand-drawn pictures of J-10s dropping chemical weapons on helpless Taiwanese or soemthing- best traditions of the Cold War.
Re: China saves Raptor project
It’ll be only a few more years before grossly exaggerated estimates of the Chinese military “threat” to the United States appears in a publication similar to “Soviet military power”- complete with hand-drawn pictures of J-10s dropping chemical weapons on helpless Taiwanese or soemthing- best traditions of the Cold War.