RE: sabena folds
Yep the uhly red planes. Look like some remainders of the soviet union 🙂
Merger with Virgin Express
It has been confirmed by both DAT and Virgin Express that from now on they will cooperate. A good start I would say. Virgin Express is making some good profits.
Geforce –
“You just lost your flight? Well, I just lost my job”
— sabena employee —
RE: AMERICAN AIRLINES CRASH!!!
No need to excuse. I understand not everybody has the same guts as I 🙂
No serious, plance accidents will always happen, now and in the future. Even if technology would be perfect, there is always the chance that a human error occurs. Accidents with airplanes happen occasionally, only not in New York and certainly not after the 11th september. Coincidence? No, both facts just happened at the same time, bad luck.
In 1992, there was also such big accident in the Beylmer, outskirts of Amsterdam. After the crash of a B747 cargo of El AL, there was a diplomatic fight between Israel and the Netherlands. First of all the safety of the Jumbo wasn’t guaranteed (same problem as now with the engines), but the jumbo also transported a toxic gas (sarin?). 40 people were killed, this was the biggest air crash in Europe the past ten years.
Geforce –
“You just lost your flight? Well, I just lost my job”
— sabena employee —
RE: DAT Flies
They already started flying to the UK. Actually most of the DAT-)flights have no passengers onboard. It’s the only way to keep the slots.
Geforce –
“You just lost your flight? Well, I just lost my job”
— sabena employee —
RE: AMERICAN AIRLINES CRASH!!!
I guess it’s ‘just’ an accident. I don’t think any terrorist organisation will repeat 11th september. Coincidence? Maybe. Osama said if he would retalliate, it would be with NBC-weapons, not with another plane-bomb.
This is ofcourse a sad day for NY, but i would have happened without the 11th sept events. Wait and see.
Geforce –
“You just lost your flight? Well, I just lost my job”
— sabena employee —
RE: Crossair’s Role
DIE CROSSAIR DIE
Geforce –
“You just lost your flight? Well, I just lost my job”
— sabena employee —
RE: DAT Flies
I’ll try to stay positive about the whole DAT-matter, but there are some big problems concerning this new carrier.
1. It has not been decided yet if DAT will get the same slots as Sabena. Everything depends on the two banks who are going to invest in it (Fortis an KBC).
2. 250 million EUR to start with? Rediculous. SR gets about 15 times as much as DAT to start with a new carrier.
3. Is there still a future for small carriers at conventional prices? With Virgin, Easy-jet and Ryanair, why should we – the big public – pay for a DAT-flight at 4 times the price. Nationalism? Maybe for us belgians …
But I’m glad there IS a new carrier. I hope it starts making profit ASAP. Also good news … the A-330/340 series will stay in service on some continental distances which already made profit before Sabena’s banckrupty (New York, Kinshasa and maybe even Johannesburg). That’s good news. Though the Aviojet is a good aircraft, it doesn’t have the charisma the A-340’s have with the nice logo on the tail … damn i gonna miss this.
What will be the name for the new carrier? Already dubbed DAT plus, but I think we should come up with a better name. Any suggestions? Not Air Belgium, sounds so unoriginal.
Would it be legally possible to keep the name Sabena?
–> Riot Air? Ain’t easy-jet?
Geforce –
“You just lost your flight? Well, I just lost my job”
— sabena employee —
RE: sabena folds
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“You just lost your flight? Well, I just lost my job”
— sabena employee —
RE: sabena folds
The problem about DAT is that DAT does not have all the rights Sabena has. The slots on foreign airports, and even the ones on Brussels Int, are not owned by DAT, but by Sabena, which is out of business now. In theory, every airlinecompany can now claim those rights. All now depends on what the official receivers will do. If a new company – Air Belgium, based on DAT – will rise from the grave, they won’t have it easy for the next years. 200 million € is not much. Most of it will be paid by private investors, but the three states of belgian will also support the new company. Nice initiative you would say … but in this country everything is possible. Within a couple of months we’ll make the same mistakes again, if you know that these 3 states can not cooperate together without having to argue about 101 different kind of problems. Destinated to fail i would say … pity.
The flying bird … a painting made by Margritte which represents the Sabena logo, will be sold now. Price … about 3 million €. Interrested? You can always visit it at Mullers office.
Geforce –
“You just lost your flight? Well, I just lost my job”
— sabena employee —
The A-340
The A-340 is a wonderfull aircraft. The last Sabena flight today was a A-340
The Swissair A-340’s are ofcourse extremely ugly. Still the same old coloursheme … stupid white cross on an ugly red wing. But the Sabena A-340’s with the blue colours … damn, what a pity.
Boehoe
So never ever say again the 340 is ugly !!!!!!
Geforce – “Teamwork is essential. It gives the enemy other people to shoot at.”
RE: sabena folds
Damn, how can I be enthousiastic about a country that can not even save its own flag carrier? Poor Sabena, indeed such a bad experience NEVER AGAIN. I hope SAir will have to deal with the same problems. Let them go banckrupt themselves … arrogant assholes.
One nice thing happened today … the sabena employees managed to crash the SAir check-in computersystem in Zurich. Haha, let those Swissies suffer 🙂
Geforce
last flight of Sabena
Today was the last flight of sabena, carrying the letters SN. Tomorrow, the council of representives will ask for banckrupty … and ofcourse will get it.
This is an economic disaster for Belgium, but also a social and political problem. 10 000 people will lose their jobs and even more will follow (catering etc).
Sabena grounded as staff walk out
November 6, 2001 Posted: 1704 GMT
Sabena passengers were advised against turning up for flights
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BRUSSELS, Belgium — Flights of Belgian airline Sabena were suspended on Tuesday as staff walked out over fears of impending bankruptcy.
There was chaos at Brussels’ Zaventem national airport as staff abandoned check-in desks, stranding hundreds of passengers.
The only known potential investor, British entrepreneur Richard Branson’s Virgin Express airline, said the last-ditch recovery plan for the Belgian flag carrier was unworkable.
Airport officials advised travellers not to come to Zaventem, where travellers queued in vain at deserted check-in desks for flights that would never take off.
“We call on Sabena passengers not to come to the airport. It won’t do any good,” Jan Van der Cruysse, spokesman for airport operator BIAC, said in a statement on TV and radio.
Employees in catering, cleaning, luggage and check-in started the wildcat actions as rumours grew that the company was closing, with scant hope that more than a fraction of the 12,000-strong staff would keep their jobs with any successor airline.
Amid heated scenes at the airport, Sabena — which has debts of $2.1 billion — was forced to cancel almost all flights in the afternoon though said they would resume later.
Arriving passengers faced long waits at baggage carousels as luggage handlers walked out.
The Sabena board was meeting with an announcement expected but there was a news blackout.
“The last flights of Sabena,” headlined the daily La Libre Belgique.
The government — 50.5 percent owners of one of Europe’s oldest carriers — was trying to work out a future with a viable Belgian-based carrier beyond the end of Sabena.
It sent extra police to the airport, wary of any attempt by disgruntled Sabena employees to sabotage operations or to seize planes.
The failure of Sabena — nicknamed in the industry “Such A Bad Experience Never Again” — would be a severe embarrassment to the Belgian government, which currently holds the rotating EU presidency.
“It’s scandalous. No one knows what’s going on,” said Trui Weerts, 39, who said she had worked six years with Sabena at the check-in and reservations counters, according to Reuters.
Sabena and its co-parent Swissair, which owns 49.5 percent, were already in trouble before the September 11 hijacked jet attacks in the U.S. plunged the entire industry into crisis.
The unions met Belgian Prime Minister Guy Verhofstadt on Tuesday on how to compensate the majority of the 12,000 workforce likely to lose their jobs.
“We are working very hard to take care of the social aspects. That is the main goal of the government,” said Privatisation Minister Rik Daems.
Finance Minister Didier Reynders had to leave a meeting of his European Union colleagues to attend the meeting.
Bankruptcy would open the way for new investors to come in and build a slimmed-down version of the airline — with much fewer staff — centred primarily on European flights.
The airline and Belgian government have planned to transfer part of Sabena’s assets to Delta Air Transport (DAT), one of Sabena’s subsidiaries which would survive bankruptcy.
DAT currently employs 1,000 staff. It flew 37 percent of Sabena’s European flights and carried 3.3 million passengers last year.
Sabena began transferring take-off and landing slots to DAT last week, a move which would increase DAT’s staffing to 2,600.
Sabena also cut destinations — 10 of its total of 85 this week — to limit the risk of aircraft being impounded outside Belgium.
However, any revamped airline to emerge would need new investors — now hard to find after the September 11 terrorist attacks.
Virgin Express said on Tuesday it had been in talks with Sabena for months, yet it was unhappy with the plans for the creation of a successor airline.
“The plan would endanger the future of our personnel,” said Virgin Express in a statement, but added that “talks are continuing.”
On October 5, a Belgian court granted Sabena bankruptcy protection, giving management and the government until November 8 to come up with a rescue plan.
The filing followed the failure of co-owner Swissair, hit by its own cash crisis, to come through with a promised injection of $123 million in fresh capital.
Sabena was forced to seek the bankruptcy protection after reporting a loss of $122 million in the first half of 2001 — $49.2 million more than the year before.
Over the past 25 years, the airline has lost more than $1.5 billion. It was known Sabena was fighting for survival with a board meeting and the publication of its business plan due this week.
Most analysts say that with $2.1 billion of debt which it is unable to service, the company had little option but to file for bankruptcy.
It would be the first European Union flagship airline to fail.
The European Commission had insisted that a one-month $113 million bridging loan the Belgian government gave Sabena in October must not be used for recapitalisation.
The EC said it was worried that a transfer of assets to DAT could amount to a hidden government subsidy.
“The rescue aid by its very nature is transitional aid,” de Palacio said.
“The only thing it does is provide loans to enable the company to have the initial liquidity to overcome temporary difficulties with a view to submitting either a restructuring plan or a plan to wind up the company once and for all.”
Winding up the company is what many rivals were hoping for.
Lufthansa, EasyJet and Ryanair were some of the groups critical of Sabena’s aid, saying an unhealthy business should be allowed to fail.
Ryanair chief executive Michael O’Leary told CNN on Monday: “Commissioner de Palacio has done an outstanding job of finally telling these basket-case carriers in Europe, forget it, those days are over.
“Europe now belongs to those big carriers like BA, Lufthansa and Air France and the rapidly growing low fare carriers which are led by Ryanair.”
Geforce – “Teamwork is essential. It gives the enemy other people to shoot at.”
Sabena gets protection
Sabena gets protection
October 5, 2001 Posted: 1127 GMT
LONDON (CNN) — Belgium’s struggling flag carrier Sabena won court protection from its creditors on Friday, giving it valuable time to restructure its business.
The carrier applied to the Brussels court for protection after its parent Swissair, which ran out of cash to keep its planes flying, broke a promise to inject some badly needed cash. Sabena has until November to put its house in order.
Sabena received 125 million from the Belgian government to keep flying, create a new airline and save as many of its 12,000 employees as possible. The government owns 50.5 percent of the airline, while Swissair owns the remainder.
The Swiss government on Wednesday gave Swissair enough money to operate until October 28. Swissair will then hand over about 70 percent of its airline operations to its low-cost carrier Crossair, which has been bought by Switzerland’s two biggest banks.
European airlines, already suffering from slowing global economy, were hurt financially after the September 11 terror attacks, as travellers canceled plans to fly.
Many carriers have resorted to slashing jobs; Europe’s biggest airline British Airways cut more than 7,000 posts, KLM Royal Dutch Airlines axed 2,500 and Swissair eliminated 4,250 jobs.
But the decision by the Belgian and Swiss governments to offer state aid to their airlines could fall foul of the European Commission, the executive arm of the European Union. The EC is opposed to governments offering any form of funding to any industry, as it breaches competition rules.
Irish low-cost airline Ryanair on Thursday made an official complaint to the European Commission, which has asked for details from governments. Ryanair and its rival Easyjet say that the airlines should cut costs and lower ticket prices to drive up passenger numbers.
To underline that point, Europe’s second-biggest discount airline Easyjet said on Friday passenger numbers in September rose 27 percent.
Geforce – “Teamwork is essential. It gives the enemy other people to shoot at.”
Update 7 september
According to the BCA (Belgian Cockpit association), the Belgian government knew damn well what was going on with Swissair. When Swissair struck off the Johannesburg flights of Sabena’s long haul list (in favour of their own flights), The BeGov could have taken action, but they didn’t want to participate in the daily routine of the Airline. BCA says it’s obvious that the government wanted to get rid of Sabena, by giving more credits to SAir. “Guy Verhofstadt and Rik Daems (prime minister and minister of public enterprises) are also responsable for sabena’s condition”, said BCA spokesman Filip van Rossem earlier today on TV. They are two liberals, and they actually want to privatise most of the public enterprises. BCA has sued Sabena and the BeGov. Sabena has to pay the BCA about € 2500 a day for each document they try to keep secret.
The BCA wants to make a new Sabena, in which the pilots would become the main stockholder (BCA itself), like with United Airlines. They say it is the only way to save Sabena. Because even if Sabena will survive, SAir will always have those 49,5 % stocks, and BCA is afraid they will make the same faults again.
Geforce – “Teamwork is essential. It gives the enemy other people to shoot at.”
RE: Swissair-who comes next?
Citybird (Belgium) is already in banckrupty. The lost their license and all planes are grounded.
Geforce – “Teamwork is essential. It gives the enemy other people to shoot at.”