BayarI thought this was a thread about Syria not the 6 Day War?
Anyway things are heating up on the Turkey-Syria border…
Turkish Media is reporting that Turkey has mobilized its 2nd and 3rd Army.
Global Media is also reporting large buildup of heavy arms at Turkey’s Syria and Iraq borders and the carrying out of military drills
Some Turkish comentators are also speculating that Turkey will conduct a large scale operation along the Kurdish corridor in Syria and Northern Iraq when President Erdogan addresses the United Nations in New York. This is in fact what Turkey did prior to the Cyprus Peace Operation in 1974.
https://www.rt.com/news/403763-turkish-army-border-drills/
https://www.thenational.ae/world/mena/turkey-moves-troops-toward-syrian-border-after-deal-in-astana-1.629744
BayarThe Convention (IV) respecting the Laws and Customs of War on Land and its annex: Regulations concerning the Laws and Customs of War on Land done at the Hague, 18 October 1907 governs this area of war.
The subject Convention now forms part of International Customary Law. One must also not forget the war crime” of “pillage”.
As the State of Israel is a member of the United Nations, the International Court of Justice would have jurisdiction to entertain any application by the Arab Republic of Syria.
Annex to the Convention: Regulations respecting the laws and customs of war on land –
Section III : Military authority over the territory of the hostile state – Regulations: Art. 53.
Art. 53. An army of occupation can only take possession of cash, funds, and realizable securities which are strictly the property of the State, depots of arms, means of transport, stores and supplies, and, generally, all movable property belonging to the State which may be used for military operations.
All appliances, whether on land, at sea, or in the air, adapted for the transmission of news, or for the transport of persons or things, exclusive of cases governed by naval law, depots of arms, and, generally, all kinds of munitions of war, may be seized, even if they belong to private individuals, but must be restored and compensation fixed when peace is made.Regulations: Art. 55.
Art. 55. The occupying State shall be regarded only as administrator and usufructuary of public buildings, real estate, forests, and agricultural estates belonging to the hostile State, and situated in the occupied country. It must safeguard the capital of these properties, and administer them in accordance with the rules of usufruct.
Regulations: Art. 56.
Art. 56. The property of municipalities, that of institutions dedicated to religion, charity and education, the arts and sciences, even when State property, shall be treated as private property.All seizure of, destruction or wilful damage done to institutions of this character, historic monuments, works of art and science, is forbidden, and should be made the subject of legal proceedings.
Apart from the law of occupation and/or peace negotiations mentioned above, there is the rather well-settled principle in international law of State responsibility. Its application is not limited to armed conflict, but could arise in any context, and might result in a transfer of assets if a belligerent (victor or vanquished) can establish it was a victim of an international wrong perpetrated by the adversary state.
Specifically, the principle holds that “[e]very internationally wrongful act of a State entails the international responsibility of that State.” The concept of “responsibility” includes:
The responsible State is under an obligation to make full reparation for the injury caused by the internationally wrongful act.
Injury includes any damage, whether material or moral, caused by the internationally wrongful act of a State.
Moreover, “reparation for the injury caused by the internationally wrongful act shall take the form of restitution, compensation and satisfaction, either singly or in combination.”
Additionally, the International Court of Justice’s statute explicitly authorizes it to adjudicate “the nature or extent of the reparation to be made for the breach of an international obligation.” Again, it would not seem that an otherwise appropriate reparation would necessarily be barred by international law simply because it involved a commodity transfer.
All of the above would apply in an ideal world. However we do not live in an ideal world and the survival of the fittest prevails. This is the current State of Affairs in global diplomacy.
BayarTurkey will be conducting a large scale military operation in Syria within the next few weeks. Turkish media reporting 100’s of MBT’s being moved to Turkey’s Hatay province.
Based on media footage this is one of the largest mobilization efforts Turkey has seen after the Cyprus Peace Operation in 1974. Mobile Hospitals, MRAT’s, Field Command & Control Units, MLRS units etc are being transported in large numbers
BayarRussian jets and Syrian government forces in Deir al-Zor province begin bombing US backed forces- YPG/SDF as per agreement with Turkey.
BayarTurkey backed Free Syria Army fires at US forces in Syria.
Things are really heating up.
https://www.dailysabah.com/syrian-crisis/2017/08/29/us-soldiers-exchange-fire-with-turkey-backed-fsa-fighters-in-syrias-manbij
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/08/29/us-troops-return-fire-attack-turkish-backed-rebels-syria/
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/29/politics/us-troops-exchange-fire-turkish-rebels-syria/index.html
Turkey-Backed Syrian Rebels Reportedly Open Fire at US Troops © REUTERS/ Rodi Said
MIDDLE EAST
19:38 29.08.2017
https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/201708291056895678-turkey-syria-rebels-us-troops/As Ankara and Syrian rebels it backs oppose Kurdish-led opposition forces fighting against Daesh terrorists with the US military support in the country, media reports emerged that US servicemen came under fire from a group of Turkey-backed rebels.
WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — US troops on patrol in northern Syria came under fire from a group of Turkey-backed rebels, CNN reported on Tuesday.Rebels shooting at the US troops are reportedly associated with Turkish-backed Syrian opposition forces who oppose the presence of Kurdish groups allied with the United States.
The US filed a diplomatic protest with the Turkish government, according to the media report. The incident took place during the week of August 21.
The PYD and the YPG, as well as the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF) have been receiving support from the United States in fighting Daesh terrorists in Syria, prompting Ankara’s harsh criticism.
Turkey considers the PYD and the YPG Kurdish militia fighting against Daesh in Syria to be affiliated with the Kurdistan Workers’ Party (PKK), listed as a terrorist organization in Turkey.Moreover, Ankara has been supporting the Free Syrian Army rebels and conducted a major joint operation in nothern Syria dubbed “Euphrates Shield” last year that was aimed against Daesh and also against Kurdish fighters Turkey considers to be a threat to its security.
BayarSome big developments to occur in Syria within the next few months.
Turkey and Iran are discussing massive operations against the “Kurdish Corridor” stretching from Iraq to Syria.
Turkey has been amassing more troops and heavily modernized MBT’s on its border with Syria signalling a massive ground operation.
There are estimates that Turkey has amassed another 100,000 soldiers.
http://www.jerusalemonline.com/news/middle-east/the-arab-world/report-turkish-iranian-military-cooperation-in-syria-30659
https://whowhatwhy.org/2017/08/21/turkey-test-trump-new-syria-attack/
BayarLooks like things are warming up between the US and Turkey.
US looses 2 MQ-1 Predators in a period of 12 hours in Turkey.
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Turkey and Iran planning joint action against YPG in Syria and Iraq: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-turkey-iran-idUSKCN1B10TB
US Defense Secretary to visit Ankara to mend ties. Scrambling to prevent Turkey-Russia-Iran invasion. http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/us-defense-secretary-to-visit-turkey-soon-presidential-spokesperson-.aspx?pageID=238&nID=116865&NewsCatID=358
BayarI don’t know whether Europe is interested in a dedicated SEAD combat aircraft because I do recall Airbus and Roketsan (a Turkish Company) working on a European Transport Aircraft type gunship conversion for SEAD purposes. Under the new concept the transport aircraft would be configured to launch large numbers of SOM Stand-off cruise missiles and other Roketsan missiles from Stand-off distances against Ground Air-defence targets. See http://www.defensenews.com/digital-show-dailies/farnborough/2016/07/14/airbus-signs-with-roketsan-to-add-missiles-bombs-to-c-295/
Although I must say I am skeptical as to whether this would entirely diminish the need for SEAD combat aircraft.
BayarA combat aircraft is just as good as its weapons systems and on-board sensors.
These 2 things will determine which platform will have a competitive edge. Low observability is not the sole determinant. Especially if you have a detection and lock-on range far beyond other aircraft/air defence systems. Equally, the radar system is also not the sole determinant if and when you have AWACS and true Network Centricity (up to and including A2A missile network centricity). The whole package needs to be assessed and from the viewpoint of the intended use for the platform.
From what I have seen thus far: the new American programs are focussing on a new naval variant combat aircraft. The Europeans on a new future multi-role aircraft and the Anglo-Turkish program aiming for an Air Superiority Fighter to compliment the F-35. I have no doubt that each respective program will address their countries needs. The reality is that the Europeans, Americans and Turks all have some level of access to the technology suppliers of these types of projects. It ultimately thus boils down to a good project model, management and budget.
In terms of timetable- the Anglo-Turkish program is far ahead as it already has a $30 billion budget, project & R&D facility buildings, export approvals etc. The conceptual design phase is also complete and many sub-systems are also nearing full-volume production (excluding the engine).
BayarIt is quite evident who has an “allergy” here to BAE Systems and the TF-X program.
Comparing the European project to other programs is actually quite relevant to this thread. You would note that I was in fact the one who started this thread and began following the developments within it.
If you don’t like news updates on the dynamics of the program and its interaction and position within the European aerospace scene its quite easy to ignore my posts.
BayarBAE Systems says the TF-X program is “much more” advanced than European program.
BAE Systems dismisses concerns about its lack of involvement in a new French-German fighter jet
By Alan Tovey
14 JULY 2017 • 12:36PMBAE Systems has dismissed concerns about its lack of involvement in a new French-German fighter jet, with the FTSE 100-listed defence saying it is already involved in a similar but more advanced programme in Turkey.
Speaking at the RIAT military airshow at RAF Fairford, Chris Boardman, managing director of BAE’s military aircraft business, played down worries about BAE’s lack of participation.
Some have questioned the exclusion, saying it is a sign of Britain’s waning influence as Europe’s leading military power in the wake of the vote for Brexit.
“BAE – and Britain – are already doing the next generation fighter with Turkey,” Mr Boardman, speaking at the Royal International Air Tattoo, said. “We have engineers deploying to Turkey as we speak to start work on that process.”
BAE – along with Rolls-Royce – have both signed early agreements with Turkey to help develop the so-called TF-X fighter, of which as many as 250 could be ordered.
BAE was a major player in previous pan-European fighter projects such as Tornado and Typhoon – neither of which France bought – and also the Jaguar, when the UK worked with France.The new European project was announced on Thursday night in Paris by French President Emmanuel Macron and German Chancellor Angela Merkel.
Defence analysts says the new system could use a combination of manned and unmanned aircraft.
Mr Boardman added that a current Anglo-French agreement to develop a new unmanned drone – FCAS – would not be threatened by the new announcement.
“I don feel threatened by anything I have seen. We have a contract to develop an FCAS demonstrator which we are working closely with Dassault on,” he said. “Nothing I see is stopping the pace of that development.”
BAE also collaborates extensively with defence companies around the world and the BAE chief said he was certain that the company’s experience would mean that it would find a place in the newly announced project.
“I am absolutely convinced that we the UK and BAE Systems will in one way or another have an involvement,” he added.
The BAE chief called the new project “interesting and useful” but said he saw it at a stage behind BAE’s work with Turkey.
“They are looking at a future requirement, we are working on one,” he said.
Bayar@JSR, These sanctions will increase EU dependence on Russia not decrease.
Spot on. Although the US wanted to impose sanctions on Russia, it presumed everyone else will follow also.
Turkey has stated immediately that the new sanctions are not binding on it and it will not apply to Turkey-Russia Relations. Germany has also indicated that it will not abide by the sanctions as there are no other alternatives to “Turkish Stream”.
On this occasion the sanctions will simply not work. The US will need to prosecute every European and Middle Eastern banker that does not abide by the Iran sanctions.
P.S. China has always been a silent actor in Syria. I don’t understand why many here believe China has not done anything. Who do you think has Kim Yong (North Korea) opening up a new cold war theatre?
BayarThe sanctions imposed on Russia by the US are aimed more at the “Turkish Stream” gas pipelines from Russia to Turkey to Europe. The US does not want Europe to be heavily dependent on Russian gas. It wants Israeli gas to be exported to Europe via Cyprus and Turkey. See https://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2017/07/20/fearing-global-sanctions-russia-speeds-up-turkish-stream-gas-pipeline/
https://sputniknews.com/world/201707171055618883-us-sanctions-turkish-stream/
It is also in part aimed at the S-400 deal between Russia and Turkey.
BayarTurkey and China sign security pact. Turkey undertakes to protect Chinese interests and image in region. How would this affect situation in Syria? Is China too getting involved in Syria now? https://www.the-american-interest.com/2017/08/03/turkey-china-security/
BayarMy comment above have nothing to do with the Turkish Aerospace thread as its about British Aerospace companies like Rolls-Royce and BAE Systems exporting technology. I don’t understand why you guys get so defensive as soon as you seen the word “Turkish”. Relax! Its only referring to a country BAE Systems and Rolls-Royce are exporting to.
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